Longgone Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, chasfh said: It's true, which I can attest to from professional experience. The difference here is that one side had established, in public, a minimum amount he would sign for, $330 million, and the other side made the first offer of any team, an offer that was $55 million short of the public minimum demand. The only reasonable response from the one side to the other side would have been, you need to bring it up to $330 million, because other teams were going to make an offer that hadn't yet, so why would the one side accept the lowball out of the gate? If that Tigers would have responded by raising it up to $330MM, that would have been serious. But even had they raised it to $329MM before another team made an offer, Correa still could not have accepted it until getting other offers. So, if anything, $275MM might have been a bet that Correa had no market beyond that, and I don't recall anyone believing that at the time—although, if we recall, there was no "at the time" at all. As it was, we didn't even hear about the offer until after Javier Baez was already safely signed and in-house, so in the end, the Tigers never had to put their 10/275 money where our mouth was. The only way $275 million would have ended up being serious is if no other team matched that with their offer, or even made an offer. That's basically what happened with Pudge back in 2003-04: he'd made a public demand of $40 million at minimum, and the Tigers were the only team to offer that much, so Pudge had to take the deal. He almost certainly didn't want to have to sign with a 119-loss team, but he was on record and the Tigers matched it, so he was duty-bound to take the offer. Turned out OK, after all. Public minimum demand means nothing, it's just a ploy in which you are placing way too much stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Longgone said: Public minimum demand means nothing, it's just a ploy in which you are placing way too much stock. If you don't get into as bidding war for a player asking $330 mill and offer AT LEAST $350 mill, $380 mill, $420 mill... You are not serious. Bidding war participants only are serious. Everyone else is just BS'ing and wasting time, space, and oxygen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Nola re-signed with Philly after rejecting non-serious offers from Atl and LAD of 162 and 165M 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, Longgone said: Public minimum demand means nothing, it's just a ploy in which you are placing way too much stock. Not true. In a high-profile business where everybody can see exactly what you're doing in full view, appearances not only do not mean nothing, they account for a lot. Demanding $330 and then accepting the first offer at $275 would have resulted in a serious loss of face among his peers in the business, who have an indirect stake in Correa successfully negotiating his best contract. It would also have an effect on the way his next contract negotiations go. Maybe hard to understand but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Nola re-signed with Philly after rejecting non-serious offers from Atl and LAD of 162 and 165M What was Nola's minimum demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: If you don't get into as bidding war for a player asking $330 mill and offer AT LEAST $350 mill, $380 mill, $420 mill... You are not serious. Bidding war participants only are serious. Everyone else is just BS'ing and wasting time, space, and oxygen... Giants offered $350 mill, and got him for that number, until the deal fell apart for non-number reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Nola re-signed with Philly after rejecting non-serious offers from Atl and LAD of 162 and 165M Atlanta and LA have a track record of being jokesters. Wonder if Nola laughed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I am seeing reports on Twitter that both Willie Horton and Willie Hernandez died today. Very sad day. Edit: Horton did not die. Major screwup by Henning for which he has apologized. Thank goodness for that. Willie Horton was (and still is) my favorite Tiger from the very beginning in 1968. He was also my first coach on my Tigers fantasy camp team in 2007, and I would—I will—be shattered should he die. He's one of the last remaining strong links to my childhood. I hope he outlives me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I almost became a Cardinals fan at the beginning and Lou Brock was my first favorite player. Horton was my first favorite Tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Rollercoaster Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 As noted above, from MLBTradeRumors Three-time All-Star and 1984 World Series champion Willie Hernandez has passed away at the age of 69 after a yearslong battle with a heart condition, per a report from La Primera Hora — a newspaper in Hernandez’s native Puerto Rico. The former American League MVP and Cy Young winner (both in a standout ’84 campaign) had been dealing with heart troubles for around 15 years, his wife tells La Primera Hora. Hernandez himself told Matt Schoh of the Detroit News back in 2019, after throwing out the first pitch during the Tigers’ season opener, that he nearly died in 2007 while having a pacemaker installed in his heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Bummer about Willie Hernandez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 That’s a shame. Willie brought a lot of great moments in ‘84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 How many relief pitchers have won an MVP? Is he the only one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: How many relief pitchers have won an MVP? Is he the only one? Eckersley got one, also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 of 4 relievers all time. Pretty rare. Such a brilliant trade. Got Bergman in that deal too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1984Echoes Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Giants offered $350 mill, and got him for that number, until the deal fell apart for non-number reasons. The Giants let that deal die due to a measly health examination...? Then they were NOT SERIOUS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMU97 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 RIP Willie. I met him once in 2009 and he could not have been a nicer, more down to earth guy. He seamed to be really enjoying retirement and his family. I did not know about his heart problems until today. I also didn't know he tried to make a comeback with the Yankees in 1995 at age 40. Any else remember that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I wonder if they will have a patch for him next season. RIP Willie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CMU97 said: RIP Willie. I met him once in 2009 and he could not have been a nicer, more down to earth guy. He seamed to be really enjoying retirement and his family. I did not know about his heart problems until today. I also didn't know he tried to make a comeback with the Yankees in 1995 at age 40. Any else remember that? When I was down at Lakeland watching an interview session from out in the hall of a hotel, I heard quite a few conversations and saw some funny stuff. Gary Pettis was going to be interviewed and he walked by us with a beautiful blonde on his arm. As Pettis was being interviewed Hernandez started chatting it up with his girl friend. Pettis saw what was going on and was visibly annoyed. Hernandez feigned innocence, gave a hands off gesture and smiled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrat Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Sad news about Willie. Always will hold special those memories from that season. He was treated very unfairly by fans soon after IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, antrat said: Sad news about Willie. Always will hold special those memories from that season. He was treated very unfairly by fans soon after IMO. Agreed. And the media. He couldn't repeat his 1984 season, which is understandable. 1984 was an incredible season for him, the team and fans. Greatest season I ever saw for a Tiger receiver. He's the reason the Tigers even won the World Series that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 hope they make a serious offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: 1 of 4 relievers all time. Pretty rare. Such a brilliant trade. Got Bergman in that deal too. Glen Wilson is the lone survivor of that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Agreed. And the media. He couldn't repeat his 1984 season, which is understandable. 1984 was an incredible season for him, the team and fans. Greatest season I ever saw for a Tiger receiver. He's the reason the Tigers even won the World Series that year. He caught lightning in a bottle but for that one year you knew every time he came into close a game, the game was over. They have never had another reliever like that. They've had some guys who had a lot of saves, but you were sitting on the edge of your seat screaming at them in every appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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