KL2 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, MIguy said: My argument is that the Tigers are not signing Yamamoto. No, it was the Tigers wouldn't give a player $30 million. "Tigers ain't spending 30 million a year on a pitcher." Sure unlikely that the Tigers beat out everyone and sign Yamamoto. But, you're argument that the Tigers would not spend $30 million on a pitcher, or any one player, isn't based on facts. It's based on a made up notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, casimir said: Or possibly Imanaga. Either would be a welcome addition to the rotation and allow a bit more leverage for a trade move out an arm for a bat. But your core and payroll suggestion is spot on. I think I read somewhere that 2024 player salary with Maeda is $83M or $84M next season, so about what you thought with $80M. I've seen suggestions of 9/$225M for Yamamoto and 5/$85M for Imanaga, both of those not including posting fees. I don't really know what those amount to, if they are paid upfront or during the life of the contract (my guess would be the former). So one of those two keeps them below $125M for next season. They were at $120M last season. Yes Imanaga would also work as a bloody good second to Yamamoto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3/75M for Sonny Gray; Twins have lost 2 starters in free agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, KL2 said: No, it was the Tigers wouldn't give a player $30 million. "Tigers ain't spending 30 million a year on a pitcher." Sure unlikely that the Tigers beat out everyone and sign Yamamoto. But, you're argument that the Tigers would not spend $30 million on a pitcher, or any one player, isn't based on facts. It's based on a made up notion. Hilarious considering you literally have nothing to offer as proof that the Tigers are willing to sign a player to a 30 million dollar a year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 49 minutes ago, MIguy said: Every projection I've seen from people with a degree of credibility have predicted it to be around 30 million per season. You are nuts if you think he's only getting 20 million a year. I might be nuts but i think he will settle closer to 20 million than 30 because of the length of the deal and the posting fee will also surpress his yearly rate. I am pretty confident with the 250 million NET cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: I wonder what kind of impact Ohtani has on merchandising. All of a sudden, the Angels had a whole new country of fans. How much would that add up to? Answer my own question. Estimated $337 million in 2022 but not all for the team. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/05/how-much-revenue-does-shohei-ohtani-actually-generate.html#:~:text=Ohtani's effect on ticket sales,¥984MM (%247.26MM). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Additionally I think Yamamoto will have an opt out in his deal. Ten years with an opt out after year 4 or 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: 3/75M for Sonny Gray; Twins have lost 2 starters in free agency Congratulations to the 2023 American League Central Division champion Minnesota Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 56 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Isn't it add BOTH of them and the payroll is STILL below $125M? I say... Add them both. Yeah, I suppose just salary along it could very well be that. But the true cost of acquisition includes posting fees. Whether that is paid up front or annually during the life of the contract, and how that factors in as AAV for the luxury tax (or whatever MLB calls it these days), I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: Yes Imanaga would also work as a bloody good second to Yamamoto. I would hope no blood would be shed. Just a little ink on paper, that seems sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Imanaga posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 10 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Yamamoto won't get 30 mil per year. Quite possibly 20/year but it will be 200 million + posting fees so 250 million all in. Maybe too rich but he is 25 and Jobe is coming and Skubal is here. Why not ? Our payroll is what $80 million or so after Maeda. If Jung , Meadows and Keith stick thats six starters ( Greene- Carpenter- Tork) making low dollars for years. Now is exactly the time to add one large contract and a 25 year old free agent stud pitcher comes along once every blue moon. It is exactly the definition of "calculated risk" Harris has talked about. I think we are in the hunt for Yamamoto is a MAJOR way..... my opinion. All IMHO, I think the Tigers have a plan A, B and C. They may very well look at Yamamoto and put together a combination of what they feel comfortable doing and what he feels he desires ex higher AAV or longer term, opt outs, etc. and of course understanding there will be risk. I think they will make some effort here. With said there are going to be a dozen other teams doing the same thing. So the odds are stacked against. It simply may come down to what the player wishes to do - not as much so as to what any team desires, in this particular case. I think they will also look at another SP regardless (and maybe one reclamation, lesser known type). Perhaps a LH SP and here is where Shota Imanaga may be a real interest as well (or Hyun Jin Ryu, Alex Wood, Sean Manaea, JPaxton, etc.). There are quality arms out there this year and hopefully the Tigs can land one more that could potentially give 150IP. As far as getting 2 fifteen million dollar bats instead - hopefully two fellows by the names of Greene & Tork are getting there and right now we have them for less. This year as we all know here is not a good off season to add a FA core bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Lets have some fun. Everyone give us your predictions for Yamamoto's contract and team he signs with. 7 years @ 30.5 million per New York Mets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) I'm thinking more 8/200 for him but who knows if teams like the Mets and Dodgers get into a bidding war. I'm hoping they are more focused on getting Ohtani though and don't throw crazy numbers at Yamamoto. Edited November 27, 2023 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I'm thinking more 8/200 for him but who knows if teams like the Mets and Dodgers get into a bidding war. I'm hoping they are more focused on getting Ohtani and don't throw crazy numbers at Yamamoto. I saw the rumor a few days ago that the Cubs were going to break the bank for Ohtani and it makes sense so I'm sticking with that until some better speculation comes along. Edited November 27, 2023 by MIguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: Yeah, I suppose just salary along it could very well be that. But the true cost of acquisition includes posting fees. Whether that is paid up front or annually during the life of the contract, and how that factors in as AAV for the luxury tax (or whatever MLB calls it these days), I don't know. I believe posting fees do not count at all against luxury tax. Just call it a sunk fee in "cost of acquisition" but it doesn't count against salaries or luxury taxes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) Imanaga has an impressive K/BB ratio and seems very consistent from year to year. The only thing I don't like statistically is his high home rate. I have read that he has the obligatory "nasty stuff" and "good command" of every pitcher we have never seen before. It sounds like there is a lot of interest in him around the majors though, so I'll trust they know what they're doing if they can get him. Edited November 27, 2023 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Oh Good Lord... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 A 35 year old average to below average mlb starter with injury problems? what could go wrong? having another arm is good, i guess. i dont expect a full season from maeda or anything special. should be competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, buddha said: A 35 year old average to below average mlb starter with injury problems? what could go wrong? having another arm is good, i guess. i dont expect a full season from maeda or anything special. should be competent. I think he was signed mostly as insurance in case Mize doesn't hit the ground running. Between Mize and Maeda, hopefully you have a starters spot secured for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I think all they are really expecting is a league average starter that can give them 150 innings a year. Basically what Lorenzen was for us before the trade last year. In this day and age 12 million a year for 2 years is a solid deal for that type of production. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I think his experience was something they were looking for too. He's been in the playoffs every year. He's pitched in the rotation and bullpen. He can set an example for the younger guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, buddha said: A 35 year old average to below average mlb starter with injury problems? what could go wrong? having another arm is good, i guess. i dont expect a full season from maeda or anything special. should be competent. He's 35. He did have some injuries. But he's not a below average starter. 2 of out 3 ain't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Imanaga has an impressive K/BB ratio and seems very consistent from year to year. The only thing I don't like statistically is his high home rate. I have read that he has the obligatory "nasty stuff" and "good command" of every pitcher we have never seen before. It sounds like there is a lot of interest in him around the majors though, so I'll trust they know what they're doing if they can get him. I think he might be the better option. He won't cost as much in dollars or years. So the risk is lowered. And with the reduced salary from Imanaga vs Yamamoto, they can take that opportunity cost and apply it to other needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I would hope that another signing is forthcoming, but they could do a lot worse than Maeda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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