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2023-24 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread


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1 hour ago, buddha said:

A 35 year old average to below average mlb starter with injury problems?

what could go wrong?

having another arm is good, i guess.  i dont expect a full season from maeda or anything special.  should be competent.

He could get ht with a line drive on his foot...twice !...naw what's the odds of that.....

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4 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

3/75M for Sonny Gray; Twins have lost 2 starters in free agency

That seems reasonable as well for Gray. So far all pitcher singings have been low or "expected". maybe the TV $$ is suppressing  inflationary salaries this year ? Or everyone is focused on Ohtani and Yamamoto. 

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Saw him play several games with Low A Asheville several years ago when they were a Rockies affiliate. My immediate recall is that he hit well but his glove was an inconsistent. He was at SS then. 
Another Harris hidden gem just waiting to be discovered.

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2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Pitchers get hurt and don’t always regain their stuff.  I think a 5 year deal is extremely risky.  

We just got out from under Miggy’s contract—do we want another with more considerable risk?

If the going price is 6 or more years for a pitcher, I prefer we pass and try and grow our own.

What if they had signed Verlander instead of Cabrera?  

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1 minute ago, Edman85 said:

I will never understand the criticism minor league free agent signings get around here.

It's more humor than criticism.  I think most people here realize that taking a shot at possible hidden gems is a good thing even if most of them don't amount to much.  

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37 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I will never understand the criticism minor league free agent signings get around here.

 

34 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It's more humor than criticism.  I think most people here realize that taking a shot at possible hidden gems is a good thing even if most of them don't amount to much.  

Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but he's a former 2nd round pick that turns 25 in February.  He has some on base chops about him and some versatility.  The former is a tenant of the organization.  The latter is a helpful asset.  Its not earth shattering by any means, but if you're going to look to fill your minor league rosters, might as well do so with the type of player that have some of the skill sets you are looking for.

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I'm coming around to the idea that the Tigers may be done picking up players for their major league roster next year.

We were already set at 1B, SS, C, and two outfield slots as of the final day of the season. We've already signed Canha, so that takes care of the third slot out there.

We have two guys at the top of the system, Keith and Jung, who have maybe even better than a puncher's chance of coming north out of Lakeland, and could man 2B and 3B, and Harris is on record as not wanting to pick up guys who block our best prospects. So I don't think we sign or trade for either of those positions. Worst case, if both flop in March, we still have Vierling, McKinstry, and Ibanez at minimum to rotate among the two positions. Point being, I don't see us signing an established big leaguer—as though there are a bunch of them out there to choose from, anyway—for either position while telling even one of our two top position prospects to go pound sand for the next year.

That leaves the pitching staff. We've already signed Maeda, and I think wey're counting on the three former prospects to win spots in the rotation, and we have Olson and Gipson-Long on deck now, and possibly one or more of Ty Madden and Wilmer Flores killing it in March and earning a spot north. That's eight possibles in-house to start the season with, so I don't see us going out and signing or trading for a league average established pitcher to upset that plan, and I sure don't see us tying up nine years of the future hoping to get the one guy 15 other teams are running hard after as well. So I think we're done with the rotation.

The one area we might sign someone for is in the bullpen, which is already considered a strength of ours with Lange, Foley, Vest, and Holton anchoring the back of it. We could pick up a late-inning left-hander as long as they don't require a boatload of years, so I don't see Hader coming here, either. (Not just because of the years, but also because the prima donna don't-pitch-me-except-in-a-save-situation attitude he's known for. We have seen how Harris treats prima donnas.) Someone like a Brad Hand or a Will Smith or even a Matt Moore could make their way here for the next year. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see nothing more happen for the 'pen. (Or the "BP", if you prefer.)

Yeah, I know, I'm no fun. I'm simply more interested in what I believe is gonna happen than what I hope against hope might happen.

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15 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I'm coming around to the idea that the Tigers may be done picking up players for their major league roster next year.

you're probably right; and there's a decent chance that Vierling, Maton, McKinstry, Ibanez, Kriedler or any of the other guys at Toledo offer the same production as a Whit Merrifield or Ursula.

but I will also argue that any one year guy would really not block anyone. there are some good options. Kyle Farmer bats RH and plays good D at three spots; surprised the Twins tendered him a contract; he would have been a good one year guy.

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