2023-24 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[Toddwert]

  On 12/3/2023 at 6:14 PM, Tenacious D said:

Hope you’re all correct about Manning, but I personally don’t see it.  He doesn’t really have an out pitch, though could still develop I suppose. I think he’s a 4th or 5th starter, at best.  His low salary helps his trade value. I see him being added to a deal vs being the central piece, unless it’s for a Triple A catcher or someone like that.

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I'll be honest I dont think hes going anyhere because the Tigers probaby havent given up on him

 

[Tenacious D]

I’d package him with Jung and Carpenter to get Tatis.

[Toddwert]

  On 12/3/2023 at 7:09 PM, Tenacious D said:

I’d package him with Jung and Carpenter to get Tatis.

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yeah If only the Padres would go along with that

[Tenacious D]

  On 12/3/2023 at 7:15 PM, Toddwert said:

yeah If only the Padres would go along with that

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It’s not far-fetched.  Tatis has a PED suspension and rumors of attitude issues.  Also has a massive contract.  And the Padres need to clear payroll. Also had a bit of a pedestrian offensive season last year (by his standards).

Whoever trades for him would be assuming some risk.  

 

[SoCalTiger]

  On 12/3/2023 at 7:15 PM, Toddwert said:

yeah If only the Padres would go along with that

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Im sure they would. Maybe add a pitcher like fado or madden

[1776]

  On 12/3/2023 at 7:24 PM, Tenacious D said:

It’s not far-fetched.  Tatis has a PED suspension and rumors of attitude issues.  Also has a massive contract.  And the Padres need to clear payroll. Also had a bit of a pedestrian offensive season last year (by his standards).

Whoever trades for him would be assuming some risk.  

 

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I’d have a cup of coffee with Bob Melvin before I’d give Tatis the time of day.

[gehringer_2]

  On 12/3/2023 at 6:14 PM, Tenacious D said:

Hope you’re all correct about Manning, but I personally don’t see it.  He doesn’t really have an out pitch, though could still develop I suppose. I think he’s a 4th or 5th starter, at best.  His low salary helps his trade value. I see him being added to a deal vs being the central piece, unless it’s for a Triple A catcher or someone like that.

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Manning is basically a 4 seam fastball pitcher. He doesn't have the velo a Verlander had but it's that kind of pitcher profile. So just for perspective I'd note that JV threw over 500 MLB innings before he reached a one K/IP K rate. Manning is at ~225. He has enough stuff if stays healthy and learns how to use it -  never any guarantees with pitchers but I would understand if the Tiger are willing to give him more time to develop before moving him.

[MIguy]

Jimmy Smokes made the Hall of Fame!  🥳

[MIguy]

 

[Tenacious D]

Do managers wear a team hat in the HOF?

[Toddwert]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:01 AM, Tenacious D said:

Do managers wear a team hat in the HOF?

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do they put his favorite cig brand on his HOF plaque?

 

[KL2]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:01 AM, Tenacious D said:

Do managers wear a team hat in the HOF?

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They do sparky went in as a red

I would have to think he goes in as a tiger if anyone. More years in Pittsburgh. But two ws in Detroit and 8 years, started his professional career as a tiger and still works for detroit.

[MIguy]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:01 AM, Tenacious D said:

Do managers wear a team hat in the HOF?

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Sparky is wearing a Reds hat on his plaque.  Under his picture they list his tenure with each team.  

[MIguy]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:10 AM, KL2 said:

They do sparky went in as a red

I would have to think he goes in as a tiger if anyone. More years in Pittsburgh. But two ws in Detroit and 8 years, started his professional career as a tiger and still works for detroit.

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But he won the WS with the Marlins.  

[KL2]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:12 AM, MIguy said:

But he won the WS with the Marlins.  

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And managed a whole 2 years...so thanks for that addition.

[1776]

I just finished reading a great piece on Leyland in the Athletic by Stavenhagen. Excellent piece. Glad he got in. He was very deserving.

[MIguy]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:13 AM, KL2 said:

And managed a whole 2 years...so thanks for that addition.

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LOL so sure, a WS ring mean nothing.  Got it....so thanks for that little nugget of wisdom.

Edited December 4, 2023 by MIguy

[KL2]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:17 AM, MIguy said:

LOL so sure, a WS ring mean nothing.  Got it....so thanks for that little nugget of stupidity. 

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Yep that's why Miguel will go in as a Marlin.

And why Molitor went in as a Jay and Pudge went in as a Marlin.

Only thing that matters is who you won a WS with, no matter how short the time and what else happened in your career.

You're just being silly and argumentive for no reason.

[casimir]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:24 AM, KL2 said:

Yep that's why Miguel will go in as a Marlin.

And why Molitor went in as a Jay and Pudge went in as a Marlin.

Only thing that matters is who you won a WS with, no matter how short the time and what else happened in your career.

You're just being silly and argumentive for no reason.

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[casimir]

[casimir]

Leyland’s case is interesting.  He finished at 1769-1728, only a .504 winning percentage.  He won his only ring with the Marlins.  He had his longest stint with the Pirates.  His only tenure with a team that was a winning record was with the Tigers.

[1776]

Leyland spent years in the Tigers organization in several positions. His spent years as a coach in the Tigers organization as a minor league coach. Don’t know what hat he’ll wear going in but he’s a Detroit Tiger as far as I’m concerned. 

[Tiger337]

  On 12/4/2023 at 1:13 AM, KL2 said:

And managed a whole 2 years...so thanks for that addition.

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But you said that winning the World Series is all that matters.  

[oblong]

This makes me happier than I expected it would.  I suspect he will have a Tigers hat. He’s talked many times about coming full circle from the minors and majors with the org.  In his MLB network he had a tigers hat on the shelf behind him. Yea he works for the org I know.  I just suspect that’s what it will be. He had plenty of success with the Tigers to justify it. 

[Tenacious D]

  On 12/4/2023 at 3:05 AM, oblong said:

This makes me happier than I expected it would.  I suspect he will have a Tigers hat. He’s talked many times about coming full circle from the minors and majors with the org.  In his MLB network he had a tigers hat on the shelf behind him. Yea he works for the org I know.  I just suspect that’s what it will be. He had plenty of success with the Tigers to justify it. 

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And we never fired him nor made him manage “scabs.”