chasfh Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: and right on cue, the LAD make a prospect trade with the Yankees, getting a well regarded minor league SS/3B for a well regarded minor league 2B and a generic LHR, and clearing 2 40 man rosters spots. they really do get talent into their system in any way you can think of. It would be nice to have the luxury of dealing from strength. One day … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Shinzaki said: The Canadian version... From the sitcom Corner Gas...Karen or Lacey. I was always a Karen (Tara Spencer Nairn) over Lacey (Gabrielle MIller). I was always amused by the Bailey vs Jennifer argument...like Jan Smithers (Bailey) was some simple plain girl...she was a fricking model from California Karen. Yeah, I have a type. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 10 hours ago, chasfh said: Betty seemed like she would get freaky with the night shift guy down the street. Freaky indeed. Turns out the night shift guy was the Great Gazoo! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Jason Benetti in his interview with the Awful Announcing podcast mentioned a number of factors as to why he went over to the Tigers, including his view that the front office is "willing to spend on free agents". Another data point to my view that people outside of Detroit view this organization much differently than the fanbase does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 given the local media landscape we have one guy who wants to be a shock jock podcaster so that has to be a draw.... then there's twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, oblong said: given the local media landscape we have one guy who wants to be a shock jock podcaster so that has to be a draw.... then there's twitter. I definitely get that a lot of it is the toll that seven years of losing has taken on this organization, so it's hard to be too critical on fans. But particularly since Scott Harris came onboard, there's been a glaring disconnect between what outside observers see in this franchise and what it's fanbase does. Semi-related, but the hang up on payroll and spending (particularly with Miggy coming off the books) continues to be amusing. My personal view is that I want them to add free agents who can help the team, but that the money that it takes to procure them isn't really a factor at all in whether it's a smart move or not. Put another way, I don't really care whether the quantitative sum adds up to what the team lost in payroll when Miggy retired or when ERod opted out, just want the moves to make sense in the context of what they are trying to accomplish (something along the lines of taking a baseline 80 win team and making moves to help them win their division this year) Edited December 12, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 agree.... as a fan I have payroll fatigue. I'm tired of seeing guys out there just because we are paying them and they are under a big contract. I don't want to see any Justin Uptons or Jordan Zimmermans for awhile. Fans just think players are items on a shelf in a store and you pick up what you want and that's all there is to it. Or you can trade a couple of bad players for a good player because 3+3+3 = 9. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, mtutiger said: Jason Benetti in his interview with the Awful Announcing podcast mentioned a number of factors as to why he went over to the Tigers, including his view that the front office is "willing to spend on free agents". Another data point to my view that people outside of Detroit view this organization much differently than the fanbase does. "Having an owner who won't spend" appeared again in a Motor City Bengals article again last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, oblong said: agree.... as a fan I have payroll fatigue. I'm tired of seeing guys out there just because we are paying them and they are under a big contract. I don't want to see any Justin Uptons or Jordan Zimmermans for awhile. Although they have the new model in Javier Baez (hopefully he turns it around) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 the only teams that do not have some level of free agent remorse, are the teams that do not spend on free agents. it is just a cost of shopping in the free agent aisle; sooner or later, some guy will underperform or get injured or do something stupid off the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: the only teams that do not have some level of free agent remorse, are the teams that do not spend on free agents. it is just a cost of shopping in the free agent aisle; sooner or later, some guy will underperform or get injured or do something stupid off the field Credit to you for acknowledging that there actually is cost or risk involved. Many appear unable to acknowledge that. Edited December 12, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 hours ago, oblong said: agree.... as a fan I have payroll fatigue. I'm tired of seeing guys out there just because we are paying them and they are under a big contract. I don't want to see any Justin Uptons or Jordan Zimmermans for awhile. Upton wasn't really like Zimmermann. His first year was bad until his hot finish. He had a .904 OPS in his scond year with the Tigers before he got traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 32 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Upton wasn't really like Zimmermann. His first year was bad until his hot finish. He had a .904 OPS in his scond year with the Tigers before he got traded. You are right. I looked him up after posting this. But just in general I am not sure I want any long term deals for awhile for anyone. This org if they are doing well what they claim then those players should be coming up in the system. Get to the 86-90 win range then we can talk a breakout signing. Get a solid system then then you are less beholden to them on the back end when they fade. Cut them loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I want them to lock up Tork, Greene, Keith, Jung... whoever early before they hit arb. Buy out a couple years of FA. I doubt the Tigers will be anywhere near the CBT going forward, but getting those guys under contract does reduce their AAV later, so if we do start to butt up against the tax if things start going well, their AAV is averaged with some pre-arb and early arb years and not their current year salary. As an illustrative example, Alex Bregman's current deal included three pre- free agency years and is 5/100. 11, 11, 11, 28.5, 28.5. This year he makes 28.5 million, but his CBT number is 20 million. If the rebuild goes well, every little bit may help in that regard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Lee signed with the Giants... and I know Tiger337 was really interested in signing him for the Tigers so... Lee lost Lee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Lee signed with the Giants... and I know Tiger337 was really interested in signing him for the Tigers so... Lee lost Lee. I was interested in him early,but I didn't expect them to really pursue him especially after the Canha acquisition. Looks like he got a good deal for himself. I am not good at guessing these things, but it seems better than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I was interested in him early,but I didn't expect them to really pursue him especially after the Canha acquisition. Looks like he got a good deal for himself. I am not good at guessing these things, but it seems better than expected. Consensus from what I’ve read is that it is an overpay by quite a bit. Apparently he was a Boras guy. I guess Boras knew SF was in desperation mode to produce a signing and took full advantage of the situation, which is what he gets paid to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, 1776 said: Consensus from what I’ve read is that it is an overpay by quite a bit. Apparently he was a Boras guy. I guess Boras knew SF was in desperation mode to produce a signing and took full advantage of the situation, which is what he gets paid to do. Aw, those poor Giants, bless their little hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 11 hours ago, oblong said: agree.... as a fan I have payroll fatigue. I'm tired of seeing guys out there just because we are paying them and they are under a big contract. I don't want to see any Justin Uptons or Jordan Zimmermans for awhile. Fans just think players are items on a shelf in a store and you pick up what you want and that's all there is to it. Or you can trade a couple of bad players for a good player because 3+3+3 = 9. I couldn't have said it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Cabrera is going to play one more season. Best shape of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Cabrera is going to play one more season. Best shape of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 wonder if that jeopardizes his "job" with the Tigers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Miggie believes in long farewell tours. And yes, he is expecting parting gifts at every stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 16 hours ago, mtutiger said: Credit to you for acknowledging that there actually is cost or risk involved. Many appear unable to acknowledge that. The risk of having a high payroll is not the fan's problem. If a team commits to a high payroll ,long-term, that is a good thing for fans. If they go wild for a year or two and then cut back, that would be a problem, but that is not what fans are hoping fior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 Tigers are listed in this article about good fits for ten teams that need starting pitching, and that's definitely progress, because that means they're taking us more seriously now. We would not be in last year's version of this article. The best fits for 10 teams that are hungry for pitching - MLB.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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