chasfh Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: contrarily I might just let Javey be Javey and hack away hoping for the 25 homers and living with the .300 OBP in exchange for a .400 + slugging. I think the "control the zone" mantra has F'd hm up. Just let him rake and live with the strikeouts and ugly ab's in exchange for some game changing power/ AB's and good defense with great base running. Yeah, he's 30 and he's not going to become an on-base guy with power, but if they mitigate to the point where he's .320 vs .270 on base with the same SLG, that would work out fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 31 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: contrarily I might just let Javey be Javey and hack away hoping for the 25 homers and living with the .300 OBP in exchange for a .400 + slugging. I think the "control the zone" mantra has F'd hm up. Just let him rake and live with the strikeouts and ugly ab's in exchange for some game changing power/ AB's and good defense with great base running. I don’t disagree with this. Let Javy be Javy—no idea how much instruction he’s received since joining. And it might have messed him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: contrarily I might just let Javey be Javey and hack away hoping for the 25 homers and living with the .300 OBP in exchange for a .400 + slugging. I think the "control the zone" mantra has F'd hm up. Just let him rake and live with the strikeouts and ugly ab's in exchange for some game changing power/ AB's and good defense with great base running. yeah, this is a tough call when it comes to hitters - can you actually help them or better to leave well enough alone? I sort of agree that the 'control the zone' mantra could lead to guys being tentative and that is certainly fatal for a hitter. I would prefer they change their phraseology to put the onus off the player and on the org - "it's up to us to will work with you/give you tools to better control the zone", which is what I hope they really mean because I just don't believe there are many hitters who are not trying to swing at strikes, they just can't tell which pitches are going to be strikes in the time frame their mechanics allow. With Javy the theory would be if you can get him shorter to the ball his pitch recognition could - again, in theory - improve. And with Javy's base ability to track and hit pitches outside the zone you'd want to believe it's possible he could barrel up more pitches. But hitting is such an incredibly finely balance capability that there is always the risk that you just can't find a combination that is overall better for the player than what he was doing. An effective hitting coach is probably one of the rarest animals in sports. Edited January 23 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 HOF announcement at 6. Beltre is a lock. Mauer, Helton, and Wagner will be close. have no issues with any of the 4. I thought Mauer would be more of a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hongbit Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Sports journalists and especially baseball writers are a dying breed. I fear they will all be gone in a decade. It begs the question, when there are no more baseball writers left employed, who will vote for the hall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Great question. Like… is Chris McCosky going to get a vote? That kid on the podcast at the Freep? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Sports journalists and especially baseball writers are a dying breed. I fear they will all be gone in a decade. It begs the question, when there are no more baseball writers left employed, who will vote for the hall? AI robots. Edited January 24 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: AI robots. They won’t be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, Tenacious D said: They won’t be wrong They won't be worse than some of the writers and Veterans Committee voters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Who did Mark Gorosh vote for? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 david ortiz is in the hall of fame and barry bonds (and arod and clemens) is not. because ortiz danced like a clown for the media and smiled like a happy fat dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, buddha said: david ortiz is in the hall of fame and barry bonds (and arod and clemens) is not. because ortiz danced like a clown for the media and smiled like a happy fat dude. And took a bullet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/23/2024 at 6:24 PM, oblong said: Beltre getting 95% on his first ballot really surprises me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, casimir said: Beltre getting 95% on his first ballot really surprises me. Upside or downside surprise? I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been unanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Any reasonable person knows he belongs but given the stupidity some voters have with regard to a fear of how high players percentage is, I understand the surprise. Although to Hongbit’s point earlier I think those folks are dying off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Ichero and..... .. . . . . Edited January 25 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Ichero and..... .. . . . . Maybe Sabathia, but probably not the first year. There has been talk about Ichiro being a unanimous choice and it could happen. He is clearly a Hall of Famer, but I don't know if he's that special where he should be only the second unanimous choice ever. On the other hand, it's stupid to keep someone out just because you don't want it to be unanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I was surprised at the hesitation I saw on CC, not only here, but other places. Then i looked at his numbers again.... wasn't as good as I remembered. Yeah he was good... but not as dominant. I wonder how many voters do, or have done, what I have done without even looking at the numbers again? Just go with their gut and memory and that's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 By JAWS, Granderson is honestly borderline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 20 minutes ago, Edman85 said: By JAWS, Granderson is honestly borderline. As much as I like Granderson, that would be a really large HoF. I can't really see any argument that gets him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: As much as I like Granderson, that would be a really large HoF. I can't really see any argument that gets him in. I agree but not as large as we think at a glance. Ditto Kinsler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roarintiger1 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 31 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: As much as I like Granderson, that would be a really large HoF. I can't really see any argument that gets him in. Whitaker > Granderson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Ichiro and... That's it. Nothing more from that docket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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