Tigermojo Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Last year, Greene and Carp both missed time for injuries. Baez missed time. Some guys underperformed and had to be shuffled around. That caused a lot of situations where guys had to play out of position. Hopefully this year they can stay healthy and reach their potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Given baby-naming trends a couple of decades ago, probably half the organizations have both a Colten and a Kolten by now, or will soon. 😉 The two last names trend has become very popular too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 57 minutes ago, casimir said: Is that possible? Are pitchers being developed to handle the workload needed, whether they are SP or RP? It seems like velocity has taken over too much and stamina takes a back seat to it. But I guess my point/question is, if that's how pitchers are handled in the amateurs/minors, how can we expect it be different in the majors? Deaden the baseball! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Deaden the baseball! Preach. Stop worrying about uglifying the next batch of spring training hats and get to work on recalibrating the baseball to where home runs and pitching injuries are reduced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 (edited) 59 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: None the less, you can platoon bats, which is normally the greater need, without bouncing guys around positionally as much as the Tigers have. Do you honestly believe Vierling should have gotten the majority of starts at third last year? Edited February 6 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 The Tigers started nine different players at third base last year. I did a little Excel thing and found that these are all the teams since 1956, the earliest season Fangraphs has data for, that started nine or more guys at third base: Team 3B Starters 2022 CIN 11 1958 CLE 11 2022 SFG 10 2022 LAA 10 2013 NYY 10 1959 CLE 10 1956 BAL 10 2023 DET 9 2022 MIA 9 2022 ARI 9 2021 PIT 9 2021 CIN 9 2018 NYM 9 2017 SFG 9 2015 ATL 9 2014 ARI 9 2006 LAD 9 2003 TBD 9 1997 CIN 9 1969 CLE 9 That's 20 out of 1,766 teams, or a little more than one percent. Eight of those twenty teams have done so since 2021 alone. Starting more guys at third base is a bona fide trend. This chart shows the average number of starting third baseman per team by season since 1956: Fun fact: Only fourteen teams started only one guy at third the entire year. The 1995 Tigers were one of them. Without looking it up, do you remember who? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Fun fact: Only fourteen teams started only one guy at third the entire year. The 1995 Tigers were one of them. Without looking it up, do you remember who? It had to have been Fryman, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, casimir said: It had to have been Fryman, right? Had to have been. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 (edited) Speaking of Vierling: Good morning ... ... days until pitchers and catchers report. Edited February 6 by chasfh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 32 minutes ago, chasfh said: Do you honestly believe Vierling should have gotten the majority of starts at third last year? He'd spent almost 2,000 minor league innings in OF and 79 at 3B. In 2022 with the Phillies, it was 756 & 42. It would have been something that needed to start in spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Had to have been. 😁 Holy heck, he took EVERY defensive pitch at 3B! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 31 minutes ago, chasfh said: The Tigers started nine different players at third base last year. I did a little Excel thing and found that these are all the teams since 1956, the earliest season Fangraphs has data for, that started nine or more guys at third base: Team 3B Starters 2022 CIN 11 1958 CLE 11 2022 SFG 10 2022 LAA 10 2013 NYY 10 1959 CLE 10 1956 BAL 10 2023 DET 9 2022 MIA 9 2022 ARI 9 2021 PIT 9 2021 CIN 9 2018 NYM 9 2017 SFG 9 2015 ATL 9 2014 ARI 9 2006 LAD 9 2003 TBD 9 1997 CIN 9 1969 CLE 9 That's 20 out of 1,766 teams, or a little more than one percent. Eight of those twenty teams have done so since 2021 alone. Starting more guys at third base is a bona fide trend. This chart shows the average number of starting third baseman per team by season since 1956: Fun fact: Only fourteen teams started only one guy at third the entire year. The 1995 Tigers were one of them. Without looking it up, do you remember who? Good stuff. I'm curious how the trend looks if you throw out shortened seasons (1981, 1994, 1995, 2020). I'll also hypothesize this chart is more severe for left field, which has become an odd rover position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Given baby-naming trends a couple of decades ago, probably half the organizations have both a Colten and a Kolten by now, or will soon. 😉 AND a... KolTON. Just an FYI to everyone... I know there's a KoltEn Wong floating around somewhere... But the guy we signed is actually named KoltOn Ingram. You know... FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 11 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Good stuff. I'm curious how the trend looks if you throw out shortened seasons (1981, 1994, 1995, 2020). I'll also hypothesize this chart is more severe for left field, which has become an odd rover position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 It's the least severe for catcher, as you might expect: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 18 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Good stuff. I'm curious how the trend looks if you throw out shortened seasons (1981, 1994, 1995, 2020). I'll also hypothesize this chart is more severe for left field, which has become an odd rover position. I think if I were to just remove the shortened season, it would be simply a smoothed line running between the two adjacent seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 41 minutes ago, casimir said: Holy heck, he took EVERY defensive pitch at 3B! Cal Fryman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 Oh, what the hell, here are the remaining positions: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 (edited) One more post on this topic, if you can stand it ... Here are the most starting players by position for any team since 1956: C : 8 (2011 PIT, 1998 NYM, 1960 CHC) 1B: 12 (2023 LAA, 2022 OAK) 2B: 10 (2022 PIT, 2016 SDP) SS: 9 (1987 PIT) 3B: 11 (2022 CIN, 1958 CLE) LF: 15! (2002 CLE) CF: 11 (2012 BOS, 2007 OAK) RF: 14 (2016 SDP) Not only did none of these teams make the playoffs, only two of them finished above .500, and one of those by just a single game. Let the chicken/egg debate commence forthwith! (EDIT: Interesting—when you run a capital C and a colon together and post on this forum, it turns into a smiley face, and you can't stop that!) Edited February 6 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 over/under 5 the number Tigers 3rd baseman this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Toddwert said: over/under 5 the number Tigers 3rd baseman this season Seeing how five is below the big league average for starting third basemen and we do not have an established third baseman signed, at least as of yet, I'm going to say over. The more interesting over/under might be, by which date will the Tigers have started their fifth guy at third base? I'm going to say May 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Too many graphs; there's too much math here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: Too many graphs; there's too much math here. No such thing. If our society wasn't so mathphobic, so many of its ills the last decade or so wouldn't exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, Edman85 said: No such thing. If our society wasn't so mathphobic, so many of its ills the last decade or so wouldn't exist. Got you. You should know me by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, casimir said: I think Malloy is more handicapped by his glove rather than where it is positioned. Or maybe its his arm. Actually I've read the arm isn't bad, which is why they were hoping he might manage 3B. It's all the parts that come before the throw. Edited February 6 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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