2023-24 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[Toddwert]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Isn't Wenceel a bit of a liability defensively?      

Al loved him some Defensive Liabilities

Edited October 23, 2023 by Toddwert

[Tiger337]

It seems like some of you guys (maybe only Echoes?) have been raving about Wenceel Perez for the last dozen years, so I am a little surprised that he is still 23 years old.  

[1984Echoes]

7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It seems like some of you guys (maybe only Echoes?) have been raving about Wenceel Perez for the last dozen years, so I am a little surprised that he is still 23 years old.  

Cruzer and I have been big on him for around 6 or so...

Yeah, only 23.

[Jim Cowan]

Management doesn't seem to love Wenceel as much as we do.

[1984Echoes]

What does that mean exactly?

Do you have any specific management quotes to that effect?

Because he was in AAA this year.

(not kicked to the street like a guy they aren't interested in...)

[Tiger337]

Relax Echoes.  Liston was not dissing your boy.  

[buddha]

hell hath no fury like 84 after a prospect has been scorned.

[Jim Cowan]

After a fantastic year at Erie in 2022, Perez was injured in March 2023.  He did some rehab in Lakeland, went to Erie...and stayed there, where it would seem that he had nothing left to prove.  He didn't play AAA until the end of July.  I found that to be very odd.

When he got to Toledo, he played 20 games in the outfield, and 14 at 2B.

I don't have any specific quotes from the organization.  That's because I've never heard any of them ever mention him at all.

After his year in Erie last year, I wanted him to start the year at 2B at  Toledo, and get called up at the All Star break.  In hindsight it is clear that that was never going to happen.

Management doesn't seem to love Wenceel as much as we do.

[Tenacious D]

#FreeWenceel 

[1984Echoes]

34 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

#FreeWenceel 

OK...

I'm signing on to this...

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, Jim Cowan said:

... When he got to Toledo, he played 20 games in the outfield, and 14 at 2B...

Management doesn't seem to love Wenceel as much as we do.

I think that was more the Org pushing their versatility mantra rather than a final summation of where Wenceel should play (as a utility guy). Even if that might be all he is anyways. I'm still interested to see what happens on the field before calling it as one way or the other (or as a AAAA player, which may also be a possibility).

And I get you're trying to read tea leaves here (or the stark lack thereof...); but I'm going to stick with "just see what happens" or "see it to believe it", either of which works well enough for me. I don't believe a lack of touting a prospect necessarily = a lack of love.

But, we'll see...

[SoCalTiger]

I thought Wencel got the yips throwing from 2B and they moved him to the outfield. I could be wrong. Also I thought Keith was settled on  second base which is why Jung is playing third in the Fall league. I don't see Jung in Detroit next year given Harris promotion record. So that leaves us looking for that magical third baseman for 2024 until hopefully Jung has the position down defensively. 

[Tigermojo]

12 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

I thought Wencel got the yips throwing from 2B and they moved him to the outfield. I could be wrong. Also I thought Keith was settled on  second base which is why Jung is playing third in the Fall league. I don't see Jung in Detroit next year given Harris promotion record. So that leaves us looking for that magical third baseman for 2024 until hopefully Jung has the position down defensively. 

Jung's brother can give him some tips at third. He had a really nice year for Texas.

[gehringer_2]

6 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

So that leaves us looking for that magical third baseman for 2024

I'm beginning to wonder if the Tigers are in a rut at 3b letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[RatkoVarda]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

I'm beginning to wonder if the Tigers are in a rut at 3b letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Candy would be the perfect example of just that

[Sports_Freak]

How many Tigers are arbitration eligible that won't be offered arbitration? Wouldn't want to pay anyone when we can just fill their positions from the waiver wire.

[SoCalTiger]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I'm beginning to wonder if the Tigers are in a rut at 3b letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Perhaps jinxed for trading away the perfect ?

[Dan Gilmore]

Travis Fryman?

[theroundsquare]

26 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Travis Fryman?

This was the name that came to mind for me, too

 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Travis Fryman?

We coudn't afford him.  Then the next year we signed Dean Palmer for more money.  

Fryman really only had 2 decent years in Cleveland thoush so if he stayed here who knows... 

 

 

[oblong]

and that's a reminder that Randy Smith traded Cecil Fielder and Travis Fryman, possibly 2 our 2 best players* in the 1990's... for Matt Drews.

 

 

[1776]

Petzold and Gorosh have Dan Dickerson on this weeks podcast, Days of Roar. That’s on my to-do list.

[Tenacious D]

I’d be OK with a Vierling/McKinstry platoon until Jung is ready (which should happen at some point next season).

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

Petzold and Gorosh have Dan Dickerson on this weeks podcast, Days of Roar. That’s on my to-do list.

Is there a way to mute one of the three? I just can't support that show if he is cohosting.

[Cruzer1]

1 minute ago, Edman85 said:

Is there a way to mute one of the three? I just can't support that show if he is cohosting.

That person is the Jackhole of the year