2023-24 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[oblong]

One year at a condo on the beach I watched the maintenance guy every morning and thought “I want that as a retirement gig”. Came by every day and picked up things around the pool, changed garbage out, sprayed off the pool area, straightened the chairs…. Maybe he does some light work with regard to plumbing or electrical.   I just love early morning prep work for some reason.  One summer when I was delivering pizzas I also made the dough in the morning.  Getting up wifh the sun, working alone for a few hours, then face the day knowing you accomplished something.  It’s the same feeling I get when I run in the morning. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

if i didnt live in chicago, i'd want to live in san diego.  great little city and not that far from the big city of LA. 

HaHa. Maybe not in miles, but one of the truly terrible 120 mile drives in America most hours of the day.

[Motor City Sonics]

Geez this offseason is boring. 

[kdog]

 

[kdog]

28 years old, no bad one year deals, could work out like Matthew Boyd or maybe he gets in the Fetter pitching lab and does some good things

 

[Tiger337]

Jack Flaherty has not been good since 2021, but he seems like someone they can work with.  

[RandyMarsh]

I'm fine with it, probably isn't going to blow us away but if we were looking for somebody to fill the Lorenzen role he could do just that, projections have him at 150IP of 4.3 ERA. While they probably are hoping he can rediscover what he had earlier in his career I think the Tigers would be fine with those numbers. 

[gehringer_2]

18 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Jack Flaherty has not been good since 2021, but he seems like someone they can work with.  

Lots of injuries - oblique and shoulder. He maybe needs a pitching whisperer less than just staying healthy. He was pretty good when he was good, so I guess at $14M you call this one high risk/high reward. And if he does recover form he'll be an attractive deadline offering if there are guys like Gipson-Long who are challenging for promotion to the rotation. 

If Meada and Flaherty both start 30 games, then one of Mize, Manning, or Olsen is not in the rotation - or maybe they figure to limit Mize and Manning's innings such that together are only going to total about one starting spot.

Edited December 15, 2023 by gehringer_2

[mtutiger]

The new speculation is whether this portends trading any young arms.... I'd be hesitant to do that, otherwise you're betting on a big bounce back from Flaherty in 2024.

Overall, I think it's a fine signing and given that this org has had success working with pitchers, it seems like a worthy gamble despite his rough 2023 stats.

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Lots of injuries - oblique and shoulder. He maybe needs a pitching whisperer less than just staying healthy. He was pretty good when he was good, so I guess at $14M you call this one high risk/high reward. And if he does recover form he'll be an attractive deadline offering if there are guys like Gipson-Long who are challenging for promotion to the rotation.

They now have 8 starters:

Skubal

Olson

Maeda

Flaherty

Manning

Mize

Gipson-Long

Faedo

The could make a trade, but they'll probably need them all.  

 

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They now have 8 starters:

Skubal

Olson

Maeda

Flaherty

Manning

Mize

Gipson-Long

Faedo

The could make a trade, but they'll probably need them all.  

 

We've agreed twice in one week, it's a Christmas miracle lol

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

They now have 8 starters:

Skubal

Olson

Maeda

Flaherty

Manning

Mize

Gipson-Long

Faedo

The could make a trade, but they'll probably need them all.  

 

Yup. 5 of them have significant injury history. Odds seem close to unity one will be lost for the season.

[RandyMarsh]

They also have Madden and Jobe who if all goes well could be ready by mid season to help out in the rotation if/when some of the starters get hurt or traded.  

[Tiger337]

14 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

We've agreed twice in one week, it's a Christmas miracle lol

I agree with you more often than not.  

[Tenacious D]

probably paying a slight premium to limit it to one year.  very Lorenzen-like in the potential to get better than he has been lately.  Good insurance.

I'll allow it.

[Tenacious D]

So, we’ve added

Mark Canha

Kenta Maeda

Andrew Chafin

Jack Flaherty

It’s a legitimate offseason so far.  I really don’t see much else happening, though would love to be pleasantly surprised.

[1984Echoes]

2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

... It’s a legitimate offseason so far.  I really don’t see much else happening, though would love to be pleasantly surprised.

This is my thinking as well.

It's a frugal offseason...

I would've liked one high-end starter added but am now doubtful we'll get that.

We'll see about that surprise...

[RatkoVarda]

very nice. was concerned that Harris was done with significant moves. I suspect he only makes another signing if, come Feb 10, some infielder or reliever is homeless and would take a 1 year deal. they are still more than 20M under 2023 payroll, so money should not be an issue.

[mtutiger]

I was initially skeptical they would trade an arm for a bat, but after reading this tweet lol

[Tenacious D]

It might be true, but doubt McCosky knows anything of substance.

If the Glasgow trade doesn’t go through, do the Dodgers come after Skubal?

[1984Echoes]

1 minute ago, Tenacious D said:

It might be true, but doubt McCosky knows anything of substance.

If the Glasgow trade doesn’t go through, do the Dodgers come after Skubal?

Too late... the Rays just traded Glasnow to the Dodgers...

[1776]

1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said:

Too late... the Rays just traded Glasnow to the Dodgers...

pending an extension, which I guess they’re negotiating now. 

[Tigermojo]

I doubt they trade any young pitchers. Flaherty for one year and Maeda for two are not long term solutions.

Looking at Flaherty's stats, seems he was let down by his defense a bit.

[Tenacious D]

Was Turnbull at $7-8M a bad option, compared to what Flaherty is getting?  He must have really burned a bridge with Harris and Co.

[Tenacious D]

Somebody’s a bit cranky tonight.  What a douche