Random NHL comments/thoughts

[lordstanley]

 

[1984Echoes]

The one I HATED...

Was trading Walman PLUS a 2nd in the summer.... WTF?!?!

I HATED it then and I hate it even more now. Trade an up and coming D, partnered on the 1st pairing with Seider... I know he's not a 1st pair D but...

DON'T dump Petry. DON'T dump Holl. DON'T move Maata. SIGN Gustafson?

AGAIN... WTF?!?!

This one BURNS me big time. There was NO OTHER way to make room on D except to trade Walman...?

BS.

[lordstanley]

6 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

The one I HATED...

Was trading Walman PLUS a 2nd in the summer.... WTF?!?!

I HATED it then and I hate it even more now. Trade an up and coming D, partnered on the 1st pairing with Seider... I know he's not a 1st pair D but...

DON'T dump Petry. DON'T dump Holl. DON'T move Maata. SIGN Gustafson?

AGAIN... WTF?!?!

This one BURNS me big time. There was NO OTHER way to make room on D except to trade Walman...?

BS.

Yzerman would be on thin ice if the GM of 31 other teams. 

[buddha]

30 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I’m surprised none of the playoff contenders were interested in Patrick Kane.  

they might have been, but he might not have been interested in them.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

10 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Yzerman would be on thin ice if the GM of 31 other teams. 

He's on thin ice with me now, after today. To see Walman get traded for a 1st round pick makes me irate. As Echoes said, it was a **** trade when he made the move over the summer, while having guys like Petry and Holl on the roster. It looks even worse now.

The way Yzerman has built out his blueline has been straight up not good, outside of his two high draft picks. His Pro Scouting staff, especially scouting defenseman, leaves a lot to be desired. Their pro scouts have missed the mark on several guys on defense and my patience is running really thin. 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

Oh, I wanted the Moon...

would you have traded raymond and two firsts for rantanan?

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Also, why does Mrazek get a to roster spot over Cossa?

[buddha]

Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said:

He's on thin ice with me now, after today. To see Walman get traded for a 1st round pick makes me irate. As Echoes said, it was a **** trade when he made the move over the summer, while having guys like Petry and Holl on the roster. It looks even worse now.

The way Yzerman has built out his blueline has been straight up not good, outside of his two high draft picks. His Pro Scouting staff, especially scouting defenseman, leaves a lot to be desired. Their pro scouts have missed the mark on several guys on defense and my patience is running really thin. 

they traded walman to free up money to re-sign seider and raymond.  

now, i BELIEVE they would have had that money if they had not signed tarasenko and gustafsson but i am not sure about that.

i dont think they liked walman's attitude and his weak play under physical pressure.  i also suspect walman will be hunted in the playoffs for edmonton.  going to san jose is easy because there's no pressure.  the playoffs with edmonton will be a different story.  we shall see.

[buddha]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Also, why does Mrazek get a to roster spot over Cossa?

because cossa isnt ready.  

cossa probably wasnt going to play much in detroit next year.  i think bultman said as much.

[1984Echoes]

13 minutes ago, buddha said:

would you have traded raymond and two firsts for rantanan?

On Rantanan...

No. I agree with you. This team isn't ready for a Rantanan trade.

I consider him to be about as close to a Brendan Shanahan as could possibly be without actually being Shanny.

So yes... I would LOVE Rantanan on this team, as the "missing piece"...

With the problem being that we're not currently in the position to be hunting, or trading for, an expensive "missing piece".

In fact... a Raymond-Larkin-Rantanan line would be "outstanding"!!!

No... I was looking in a different area... Call it the "Dark Side of the Moon".

[Mr.TaterSalad]

23 minutes ago, buddha said:

because cossa isnt ready.  

cossa probably wasnt going to play much in detroit next year.  i think bultman said as much.

At some point he needs NHL ice time and to see big league minutes. With Mrazek back in town this garauntees he won't get anymore ice time his year and not much next season, unless an injury happens or we move on from one of the three we have now. 

[lordstanley]

29 minutes ago, buddha said:

would you have traded raymond and two firsts for rantanan?

I would have traded Larkin and two firsts for signed Rantanen. 

[Shinzaki]

Cossa is in his second good year in the AHL.  He needs to see some NHL time to continue his development.   Don't want to give minutes to Talbot and Mrazek just to "over marinate" Cossa.

[buddha]

22 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

I would have traded Larkin and two firsts for signed Rantanen. 

then you're just spinning your wheels, imo.  he's an upgrade on larkin but then you have zero good centers on the roster.

[buddha]

8 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Cossa is in his second good year in the AHL.  He needs to see some NHL time to continue his development.   Don't want to give minutes to Talbot and Mrazek just to "over marinate" Cossa.

i'm not really disagreeing with you, i've just heard it said by a couple beat writers that they plan on keeping cossa in GR next year.

[buddha]

nobody wants to hear this, but the contention timeline starts in 2 years...which is actually a little early.  that's when seider and raymond should hit their prime, kasper should be established as a center, danielson as #2, and larkin on the 3rd line.  ed and seider as top pair and asp on the second line and pp.  that's why i expect them to sign someone this offseason.  maybe a marner if he's available.

or mcdavid...

remember when kenny said it takes 10 years to do a rebuild?  the rebuild started in 2019 (thanks to kenny's inept drafting).

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

At some point he needs NHL ice time and to see big league minutes. With Mrazek back in town this guarantees ... not much next season, unless ...

Alex Lyon is a UFA and will be gone in the offseason.

Having Talbot and Mrazek, IMO...

Says NOTHING about Cossa's NHL time next year.

I think Cossa and his NHL-readiness (or not quite there as of...) say everything about how much NHL time he gets.

IE: Blow the doors off in training camp and trade one of those other two. Start in Grand Rapids (if he's not quite ready) and blow the doors off down there showing that he's ready for the NHL... move one of the other two. 

Not ready until the trade deadline but showing it right before then...?

Trade one before the deadline.

Mrazek is "Cossa-readiness Insurance"... nothing more.

IMO.

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, lordstanley said:

I would have traded Larkin and two firsts for signed Rantanen. 

Who is your 1st line centerman with Rantanen?

You have two top wingers in Raymond and Rantanen, but who centers?

 

PS: I would have traded DeBrincat for Cozens.

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

nobody wants to hear this, but the contention timeline starts in 2 years...which is actually a little early.  that's when seider and raymond should hit their prime, kasper should be established as a center, danielson as #2, and larkin on the 3rd line.  ed and seider as top pair and asp on the second line and pp.  that's why i expect them to sign someone this offseason.  maybe a marner if he's available.

or mcdavid...

remember when kenny said it takes 10 years to do a rebuild?  the rebuild started in 2019 (thanks to kenny's inept drafting).

Along these lines...

I still consider the Wings in the "Pistons Phase" of the past few years... "accumulator of talent".

That's why I agreed with you on Rantanen. Wrong time to pay this cost. He's a perfect "Brendan Shanahan Last Piece of the Puzzle". And we're not there yet.

We need to still be trying to accumulate young talent. By draft, trade, or lucky FA signing.

Not trading important future assets yet... at least until we're searching for that mythical "last piece"....

[lordstanley]

 

[Hongbit]

20 hours ago, buddha said:

remember when kenny said it takes 10 years to do a rebuild?  the rebuild started in 2019 (thanks to kenny's inept drafting).

This is true for **** franchises that have no real history of success.   See Buffalo, Ottawa, Anaheim.   

It shouldn’t take a serious franchise with quality leaders and accountability to get back to competing for a cup.

Colorado was the worst team in the league in 2017.  They made the playoffs in 2019 and won the cup in 2023.

Florida missed playoffs in 2018 & 2019.  They won the President’s Cup in 2022 and the cup last year.

It shouldn’t take the Red Wings 10 years.  There’s been a lot incompetence and poor decisions from the top.

 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

This is true for **** franchises that have no real history of success.   See Buffalo, Ottawa, Anaheim.   

It shouldn’t take a serious franchise with quality leaders and accountability to get back to competing for a cup.

Colorado was the worst team in the league in 2017.  They made the playoffs in 2019 and won the cup in 2023.

Florida missed playoffs in 2018 & 2019.  They won the President’s Cup in 2022 and the cup last year.

It shouldn’t take the Red Wings 10 years.  There’s been a lot incompetence and poor decisions from the top.

 

if we could have been in position to draft nathan mackinnan and cale makar, i could cede the colorado point, but they werent.

i think yzerman has done a great job of drafting and developing.  last year he signed some quality vets to get the team to average.

this offseason was a disaster other than signing raymond and seider to good contracts.  whomever is in charge of nhl scouting needs to be fired.  the walman trade was a disaster.  tarasenko is a disaster.  gustaffson is a disaster.  motte is useless.

but the plan was always - imo - to rebuild around seider and raymond.  they should be able to do that as soon as next year.  there's no point of trading multiple picks for guys who are almost 30 for this team.  theyre not there.

i thought yzerman waa right on track until this offseason.  now i still give him the benefit of the doubt, but i think we need to see something this offseason.

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, buddha said:

whomever is in charge of nhl scouting needs to be fired.  the walman trade was a disaster.  tarasenko is a disaster.  gustaffson is a disaster.  motte is useless.

The parallels to Avila's Tigers are painfully evident.

[Hongbit]

Stevie has done a great job of drafting and adding prospects.  That can’t be denied.  He’d be a fantastic Director of Amateur Scouting.  Maybe one of the best in the league.  

It’s another story as a GM.  He’s made a ton of mistakes that have directly slowed this rebuild.  He’s done a terrible job of signing free agents and using his cap money to his best advantage.   You mentioned a few of the awful trades and FA’s that he made. His decisions on goalies have been especially bad.  He absolutely 100% hired the wrong coach in Lalonde and then stuck with him far too long.   So many misses that all fall at Stevie’s feet.   The GM of any hockey club has to own those mistakes and be accountable for them.  

Edited Saturday at 09:03 PM by Hongbit

[lordstanley]

19 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Stevie has done a great job of drafting and adding prospects.  That can’t be denied.  He’d be a fantastic Director of Amateur Scouting.  Maybe one of the best in the league.  

 

We will see. All we know so far is that he has hit on his three top #6 picks of Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson. Other than that it is too soon to tell. 
 

I don’t want to completely forget how the Wings played under McLelland in January and February. That bought Yzerman more time with me. But it has been a disastrous March so far.