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The Gaza War


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16 hours ago, GoBlue23 said:

Says YOU.

I get it, you are obviously biased and taking a side for whatever reason.  As I've said in the past, I think both sides suck and that this is going to go on forever if people don't come to their senses and reject silly superstitions. 

We already know that people will not “come to their senses and reject silly superstitions”. Those silly superstitions are the only way a lot of people can make any sense out of the world. That itself may not make sense to a lot of other people, but the fact is that entire nations and even civilizations have been and still are developed and operated on such superstitions, and even if the superstitions are a fantasy, the effect they have on our world is real, and that has to be dealt with and respected on at least a certain level.

The real trick is how to establish compromise in a way that achieves peace while still respecting the beliefs based on things others, especially opponents, don’t believe or even respect. The barrier to that is that many if not most religions, many of the majors included, are completely and unyieldingly opposed to compromise in any form. And the $64 question is, can we ever get there and hold onto it for any number of generations. It’s a balance so tricky that in all these millennia, it still hasn’t been figured out as a bottleable formula yet. And so here we are.

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43 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

From the CNN article:

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told CNN they were responding to enemy fire from the warehouse. One eyewitness said he heard what he called “resistance fire,” referring to fire from Hamas or another militant group, and local journalists reported “clashes” in the area that day.

War is hell and yes innocent people die in war. As to Israel  indiscriminately targeting civillains I don't buy it.

 

Good thing one eyewitness was there to witness it with his eye and tell us the tale.

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An overdue step (if Israel wants to TRULY lose the world, and the U.S., manufacturing starvation in Gaza by refusing to allow humanitarian aid into there is the way to do it. If this is Bibi... it's unconscionable. The entire week I've thought of establishing a sea route to Gaza to deliver US aid directly to Gazans by the US Navy (mentioned during the air drops earlier this week...). Biden says: "we're doing it"):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-says-cease-fire-talks-112225693.html

Associated Press

Biden orders US military to set up temporary aid port for Gaza as famine threatens

SAMY MAGDY
Updated Thu, March 7, 2024
 
 
 
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4 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

An overdue step (if Israel wants to TRULY lose the world, and the U.S., manufacturing starvation in Gaza by refusing to allow humanitarian aid into there is the way to do it. If this is Bibi... it's unconscionable. The entire week I've thought of establishing a sea route to Gaza to deliver US aid directly to Gazans by the US Navy (mentioned during the air drops earlier this week...). Biden says: "we're doing it"):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-says-cease-fire-talks-112225693.html

Associated Press

Biden orders US military to set up temporary aid port for Gaza as famine threatens

SAMY MAGDY
Updated Thu, March 7, 2024
 
 
 

 This is one worth the time to do a little digging into how this plays in Israeli media.

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47 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

politically, easy to spin this as Biden will go to extra ordinary lengths in Gaza but not Southern border.

not a good look for him

What’s to spin? It is what it is. 

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Yes, I think there is a readymade counter to any southern border issue: the Trumpublican party had bipartisan legislation it crafted-until Trump said no. Which ties in with a bigger fail-the party as now constituted does not know how to govern. Or even cares to when given the chance. All they know or care to do is stoke fear and ignore the rule of law.

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3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

politically, easy to spin this as Biden will go to extra ordinary lengths in Gaza but not Southern border.

not a good look for him

Wrong.

He's doing everything he can in Gaza.

Republicans are BLOCKING him at the southern border.

That makes for a great story and campaign message for Biden...

Mostly...

Because it's true.

 

 

 

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WSJ-

In a sign of growing White House concern about Rafah, President Biden warned Saturday that an Israeli attack would cross a “red line” and left open the possibility that the U.S. might withhold some types of military assistance to Israel if the operation caused extensive civilian casualties.

He added that a complete cutoff of weapons shipments wasn’t an option.
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Joe needs to leave the “red line” language on the shelf. That hasn’t worked out well in the past (Obama/Syria)

 

 

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From Tom Friedman's column today:
 

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I immediately understood how a chaotic scene unfolded over food distribution two days earlier. Israel is breaking Hamas’s control yet refusing to take responsibility with its own forces for civilian administration in Gaza — and refusing to enlist the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, which has thousands of employees in Gaza, to perform that task. It is behaving this way because Netanyahu does not want the P.A. to become the Palestinian government in the West Bank and Gaza, which might give it a chance at credibility to grow into an independent Palestinian state there one day.
In other words, Israel has a prime minister who apparently would rather see Gaza devolve into Somalia, ruled by warlords, and risk Israel’s military gains in dismantling Hamas than partner with the Palestinian Authority or any legitimate, broad-based, non-Hamas Palestinian governing body — because his far-right cabinet allies, who dream of Israel controlling all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, including Gaza, will oust him from power if he does.

 

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