The Gaza War

[chasfh]

10 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Sorry I misquoted what you actually said...

You also truncated the post to in an attempt to change the point from being mine to being yours, although, honestly, I'm not sure you even followed up on your own point here.

[chasfh]

I do find it interesting how the basic Constitutional right to free speech gets questioned by people when the slight inconvenience of the free speech being actually exercised forces them to have to find a somewhat less-direct alternate route to Walmart.

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I do find it interesting how the basic Constitutional right to free speech gets questioned by people when the slight inconvenience of the free speech being actually exercised forces them to have to find a somewhat less-direct alternate route to Walmart.

Who questioned their right to free speech? I'm sure if they were wearing red hats you wouldn't be so indifferent. This is midtown Manhattan. They aren't blocking people going to Walmart. 

[chasfh]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Who questioned their right to free speech? I'm sure if they were wearing red hats you wouldn't be so indifferent. This is midtown Manhattan. They aren't blocking people going to Walmart. 

Read the thread.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Read the thread.

Ok

[Tigeraholic1]

52 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I do find it interesting how the basic Constitutional right to free speech gets questioned by people when the slight inconvenience of the free speech being actually exercised forces them to have to find a somewhat less-direct alternate route to Walmart.

Or your loved one being rushed to the hospital for life saving treatment. But what are laws for if we can't break them?

[Tigeraholic1]

48 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Who questioned their right to free speech? I'm sure if they were wearing red hats you wouldn't be so indifferent. This is midtown Manhattan. They aren't blocking people going to Walmart. 

They could have slapped another charge of child endagerment if they wanted. It seems rules and rights only apply when certain folks say they do.

[oblong]

56 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Who questioned their right to free speech? I'm sure if they were wearing red hats you wouldn't be so indifferent. This is midtown Manhattan. They aren't blocking people going to Walmart. 

If it were a planned parenthood clinic being blocked I think the reaction would be different.

 

[oblong]

Some people are just so butt hurt to find out that many of their political brethren are antisemtic asshats and can't accept it.

It's true.  People of all political stripes are capable of being assholes.  

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

Some people are just so butt hurt to find out that many of their political brethren are antisemtic asshats and can't accept it.

It's true.  People of all political stripes are capable of being assholes.  

I am more liberal than most. I wanted European style socialism in the US long before Bernie Sanders made it chic. There is a radicalization happening on the left that is being influenced by Russia and Iran. People need to be more alarmed. These people are protesting Holocaust sites, targeting Jewish businesses, and forcing Jewish students to have to barricade themselves in libraries. They even protested the church where Dylan Roof killed those black people. It's just a matter of time before it escalates to violence. I cannot imagine if a bunch of people in red hats were shouting down Holocaust survivors at a meeting about Holocaust remembrance. They're no different than the dip****s in Khaki pants yelling Jews won't replace us. 

[ben9753]

11 minutes ago, GoBlue23 said:

Another friendly reminder that the Jews aren't the "good guys" here.

 

What if someone posted a clip of a Black guy holding up a store with the caption "Reminder that the blacks are not the good guys". That would go over well.

[chasfh]

42 minutes ago, oblong said:

Some people are just so butt hurt to find out that many of their political brethren are antisemtic asshats and can't accept it.

It's true.  People of all political stripes are capable of being assholes.  

Of course it's true that people of all stripes can be antisemitic, and that goes double if someone like Robert Kennedy Jr. is assigned to the left, something a lot of people do. (I myself wouldn't.)

What I don't co-sign onto is the idea that anyone who raises any objection to the brutality of Israel's apparently indiscriminate destruction of Gaza is de facto engaging in antisemitism. I understand I'm inviting the obvious whatabout, but even granting that, Israel is bigger than Hamas, so more is expected of them in terms of proportional response. It's one of the reasons why Netanyahu's political fortunes are quickly waning in Israel: he is the author of the indiscriminate nature of the destruction, and the people who live in Israel, including many if not most Jews, expect better of their leaders. And that's also true of Jewish activists here in the United States: they expect better of Israel, their traditional homeland. "Not in our name" didn't start with histrionic college freshmen at Ivy League schools, after all.

I am also surprised at how little room has developed for nuance on the discussion of this topic. This may be the most black-and-white issue I've ever seen on this board, meaning in terms of positions taken (rather than right-and-wrong).

Edited March 28, 2024 by chasfh

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Of course it's true that people of all stripes can be antisemitic, and that goes double if someone like Robert Kennedy Jr. is assigned to the left, something a lot of people do. (I myself wouldn't.)

What I don't co-sign onto is the idea that anyone who raises any objection to the brutality of Israel's apparently indiscriminate destruction of Gaza is de facto engaging in antisemitism. I understand I'm inviting the obvious whatabout, but even granting that, Israel is bigger than Hamas, so more is expected of them in terms of proportional response. It's one of the reasons why Netanyahu's political fortunes are quickly waning in Israel: he is the author of the indiscriminate nature of the destruction, and the people who live in Israel, including many if not most Jews, expect better of their leaders. And that's also true of Jewish leaders here in the United States. "Not in our name" didn't start with histrionic college freshmen at Ivy League schools, after all.

I am also surprised at how little room has developed for nuance on the discussion of this topic. This may be the most black-and-white issue I've ever seen on this board, meaning in terms of positions taken (rather than right-and-wrong).

So why are these protestors harassing Holocaust survivors, churches where blacks got massacred, Jewish hospitals, Jerry Seinfeld, Jewish businesses, Jewish college students, 9/11 site etc? What influence does Holocaust survivors have over Israel? They are targeting Jewish civilians in the US. It is antisemitic radicalization that is taking over a movement on the left. 

[pfife]

LMFAO what a crappy troll 

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

LMFAO what a crappy troll 

Ok

[pfife]

just remember this dude already posted dozens of videos of people protesting at places other than the ones he just listed before you act like it's a good faith discussion happening here. 

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

just remember this dude already posted dozens of videos of people protesting at places other than the ones he just listed before you act like it's a good faith discussion happening here. 

Ok

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

just remember this dude already posted dozens of videos of people protesting at places other than the ones he just listed before you act like it's a good faith discussion happening here. 

Thank you, you saved me the effort of asking for evidence of what he's talking about. Are there actual news items reporting any of this? And is this all happening in scale, continuous and everywhere? Or is the evidence being offered basically uncorroborated one-off posts on X? I don't know either way, that's why I'm asking.

[pfife]

I couldn't imagine so blatantly contradicting onesself on the internet just to troll 5 middle age dudes and 1 very pleasant young lady, seems really weird honestly 

[pfife]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Thank you, you saved me the effort of asking for evidence of what he's talking about. Are there actual news items reporting any of this? And is this all happening in scale, continuous and everywhere? Or is the evidence being offered basically uncorroborated one-off posts on X? I don't know either way, that's why I'm asking.

There's no reason to treat his posts seriously.  He posted that they're only protesting Jewish stuff then the very next post of his was them protesting in the road.   It's only the 100th time I and others have encountered him doing such trolly things so blatantly.

[Motown Bombers]

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

So why are these protestors harassing Holocaust survivors, churches where blacks got massacred, Jewish hospitals, Jerry Seinfeld, Jewish businesses, Jewish college students, 9/11 site etc? What influence does Holocaust survivors have over Israel? They are targeting Jewish civilians in the US. It is antisemitic radicalization that is taking over a movement on the left. 

Holocaust survivor 

Black church

Jewish hospital 

Jerry Seinfeld 

https://www.abqjournal.com/pro-palestinian-protest-held-outside-jerry-seinfeld-performance/article_c9650bca-cd42-11ee-ab20-2f773318895a.html

Jewish business 

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-jewish-deli-swastika-2nd-ave-ues-israel-support

Jewish students barricaded in library

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/harrowing-footage-jewish-students-barricade-themselves-in-library-as-pro-palestinian-mob-hammers-on-doors/ar-AA1iX6eL

9/11 site

Bonus vandalizing Jewish pro Israel congressman 

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/rep-dan-goldmans-brooklyn-office-vandalized/

[Dan Gilmore]

It has been shown that the Russian internet operatives were sowing discord in the US electorate years ago. Using social media to do things like promote and provoke protests -even purposely scheduling two protests at the same time and place to cause a confrontation. This is the goal. Make Americans fight amongst themselves. Create chaos. Amplify minor groups bad behaviors to make them seem to be a huge threat. 
 

Don’t take the bait. 

[Motown Bombers]

18 minutes ago, pfife said:

I couldn't imagine so blatantly contradicting onesself on the internet just to troll 5 middle age dudes and 1 very pleasant young lady, seems really weird honestly 

 

15 minutes ago, pfife said:

There's no reason to treat his posts seriously.  He posted that they're only protesting Jewish stuff then the very next post of his was them protesting in the road.   It's only the 100th time I and others have encountered him doing such trolly things so blatantly.

Ok

[chasfh]

lol Visegrad 24.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegrád_24#Misinformation

[chasfh]

God bless Jerry Seinfeld, how brave he was to decide to still perform his show even with six menacing protesters in front of the theater.