gehringer_2 Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 (edited) 22 minutes ago, chasfh said: One difference between the two might be that the animosity against teh blacks is coming from inside the house, and is so deeply rooted in American history that it can be fairly argued this entire country was founded on racial hatred against people of African features. It’s far more widespread, far more ingrained, and thus far more pernicious than anti-semitism, which comes from outside the house and might be seen as more isolated and transient than racial hatred. In fact, in America, Jews are not even considered a proper race as African-featured people are, while in Europe they traditionally have been considered a race. Jews in America are basically seen as white. That helps tamp down the spread of anti-semitism and thus I don’t believe it will ever reach 20c European proportions here. That, plus the shorter religious history of the US plays a roll. The US was not dominated by the medieval Catholic Church and steeped in official anti-Semitic theology for a millennium. The religious backdrop in the US was/ mostly Protestant or evangelical, more generally Bible based, where Judaism is regarded more as inherited legacy. Shifts the worldview somewhat. You even have sects within US evangelicalism looking for the Jews to be vindicated and David's temple rebuilt as the precursors to the 2nd coming. Today's Jews/Israel are heroes in that scenario. Edited April 22 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Anytime there's a Trump rally you see the fringes with their confederate flags, maybe a swastika, some real hatred going on. Do we go through the mental exercise of excusing some members of that rally as just being caught up in it? A person is resonsibile for the company they keep. The FBI in on heightened alert for attacks against Jews. What we are seeing at Columbia and other places of "higher learning" is not unlike what we saw in the 50's in the south. I can't believe we are seeing this in this country in 2024 and it's not a bigger story. It would never ever be tolerated if it were another group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 the utter stupidity of these protests is shocking. I know college kids have a reputation for being the dumbest smart people around, but this is nuts. while they were harassing Jewish students and praising Hamas martyrs, the House passed $17B in aid for Israel's defense. LOL! US send less than 2% of that to Gaza for humanitarian aid (aid which I will point out Trump suspended). Maybe focus your energy on that? to state the obvious, this is all performative; there is nothing substantive here; pitching a tent on a quad will change nothing, but attacking Jewish students completely undercuts whatever legit argument you may have had about the plight of Palestinians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I don't even know what their cause is? They've completely given up the pretense of a ceasefire and it just seems to be anti Jew. If they really cared about genocides, wait until they hear about Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 it's just a circle jerk for whatever is fed to them on TikTok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Harassing Jews and shouting death threats at them is virtue signaling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 That is what they've been accused of here multiple times, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 They've been accused of being antisemitic chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 of course they've been accused of that. And they've been accused of virtue signaling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 do you think harassing Jews is bad? I mean... is pointing out anything someone else does that's bad virtue signalling? Is the whole civil rights exhibit at the Henry Ford Museum with the Rosa Parks bus virtue signaling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Yes I think harassing Jews is bad. At the same time, I also think virtue signaling about virtue signaling is rich. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 It's rich when leftists, whose whole platform is virtue signaling and purity contests, accuses anyone else of virtue signaling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 It's also rich when you claim they were not being accused of virtue signaling but of being antisemitic, then no less than 30 minutes later you..................................................... accuse them of virtue signaling. that's a double wow except is more like a double par for the course with you 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: How much is because school, because of fear from parents and students in today's environment, are afraid to challenge students with making them think about hard questions? One part of it might be the amount of money parents are giving to the school for their kid to be there; and another might be some parents are wired in to people who can make the academic administration accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: to state the obvious, this is all performative; there is nothing substantive here; This. Right here. Doesn't mean one-hundred-point-zero percent of all participants are being merely performative—in a large cohort there are always a few true believers who would go the whole mile, and also a few who are planted by nefarious organizations. By and large, though, practically all these kids will have moved on to something else to occupy their lives, and I would bet a large percentage of them will reflect on this in a few years and ask themselves, what the hell was I thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) phwew, because what's totally not performative is posting on a message board so glad we're not in a glass house there Edited April 22 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 (edited) 14 minutes ago, chasfh said: One part of it might be the amount of money parents are giving to the school for their kid to be there; and another might be some parents are wired in to people who can make the academic administration accountable. IDK what it is, but for certain the boomers have not defended or passed on the 'western liberal enlightenment' world view that our parents generation raised us under. Maybe we took it so much for granted that we didn't think/know we had to. The 'greatest gen' did it for us all too transparently? Now we've leaving behind a nation with wide swaths of people who seem ill-equipped to manage or even function in a self-governing society. Edited April 22 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Talking about antisemitic protests causing some to become really defensive. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 why the need to defend people who are participating in harassing Jews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 6 minutes ago, chasfh said: This. Right here. Doesn't mean one-hundred-point-zero percent of all participants are being merely performative—in a large cohort there are always a few true believers who would go the whole mile, and also a few who are planted by nefarious organizations. By and large, though, practically all these kids will have moved on to something else to occupy their lives, and I would bet a large percentage of them will reflect on this in a few years and ask themselves, what the hell was I thinking? I'll remember this whenever there are right wing protests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 nah just like you, I'm not a fan of virtue signaling and will call it out. Unless this is yet another one of those things where it's ok for you to do it but not anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 My mother who is an old boomer who went to high school in the 60's, said all the hippies she went to school with that are in Facebook are all extreme MAGA now. All the do gooders like cheerleaders are Democrats. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the anti-war kids I went to school with are now MAGA. They are people easily manipulated to jump on causes. I'm would not be surprised if most of these Hamasholes end up growing into right wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I eagerly await the sequel in 1/2 hour where you say the exact opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Like they say, keep your fans wanting more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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