Dem implosion

[Archie]

  On 11/20/2021 at 2:12 PM, Motown Bombers said:

Texas, Georgia and just about every state with a Republican governor has signed into law voter suppression laws. Michigan has a voter suppression bill ready to go. They just need a Republican governor to sign it. Your naivety is shocking. We have seen Republicans across the country work to suppress the vote. Even in Montana a state that Trump won by double digits.  

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Election security is not voter suppresion. Nobody is being told they can't vote and polls are open longer. Its funny the democrats talk about wanting to save democracy but nothing will destroy it faster than elections with no integrity.

Democrats want 100% mail in ballots, with no controls in place to know who voted or how many times they voted. They managed to get the worst two candidates to the WH elected by that system so they want to continue it.

The democrats say election laws are racist because people of color don't have ID, can't afford ID or don't know how to get an ID. What's bad is democrats actually think so little of people of color. 

 

[oblong]

  On 11/20/2021 at 7:01 PM, Archie said:

Election security is not voter suppresion. Nobody is being told they can't vote and polls are open longer. Its funny the democrats talk about wanting to save democracy but nothing will destroy it faster than elections with no integrity.

Democrats want 100% mail in ballots, with no controls in place to know who voted or how many times they voted. They managed to get the worst two candidates to the WH elected by that system so they want to continue it.

The democrats say election laws are racist because people of color don't have ID, can't afford ID or don't know how to get an ID. What's bad is democrats actually think so little of people of color. 

 

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This is one steaming pile of horse shit.  

[mtutiger]

  On 11/20/2021 at 7:01 PM, Archie said:

They managed to get the worst two candidates to the WH elected by that system so they want to continue it.

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You realize that the Democratic ticket managed to win two states entirely controlled by Republicans right?

Its almost like they won because, and hear me out on this one, enough people in enough states preferred them over the other guy. Ever consider that?

Edited November 20, 2021 by mtutiger

[pfife]

  On 11/20/2021 at 7:01 PM, Archie said:

Election security is not voter suppresion. Nobody is being told they can't vote and polls are open longer. Its funny the democrats talk about wanting to save democracy but nothing will destroy it faster than elections with no integrity.

Democrats want 100% mail in ballots, with no controls in place to know who voted or how many times they voted. They managed to get the worst two candidates to the WH elected by that system so they want to continue it.

The democrats say election laws are racist because people of color don't have ID, can't afford ID or don't know how to get an ID. What's bad is democrats actually think so little of people of color. 

 

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mam this is a wendys

[1984Echoes]

  On 11/20/2021 at 2:55 PM, mtutiger said:

The Virginia Senate is held by Dems at the moment....

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Yes, that's what I said.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motown Bombers]

Funny how Republicans committing all this election security fraud are the ones saying we need more election security. 

 

[Tiger337]

  On 11/20/2021 at 7:01 PM, Archie said:

Election security is not voter suppresion. Nobody is being told they can't vote and polls are open longer. Its funny the democrats talk about wanting to save democracy but nothing will destroy it faster than elections with no integrity.

Democrats want 100% mail in ballots, with no controls in place to know who voted or how many times they voted. They managed to get the worst two candidates to the WH elected by that system so they want to continue it.

The democrats say election laws are racist because people of color don't have ID, can't afford ID or don't know how to get an ID. What's bad is democrats actually think so little of people of color. 

 

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It has nothing to do with election security.  If having mail-in ballots and not having photo IDs favored Republicans, we wouldn't hear a peep out of Republicans about election security.  In that case, we would hear Democrats talking about election security!

[romad1]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:28 PM, Tiger337 said:

It has nothing to do with election security.  If having mail-in ballots and not having photo IDs favored Republicans, we wouldn't hear a peep out of Republicans about election security.  In that case, we would hear Democrats talking about election security!

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And it only favored dems because so many of them couldn’t wait to vote out Trump

[Tiger337]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:29 PM, romad1 said:

And it only favored dems because so many of them couldn’t wait to vote out Trump

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I think measures which make it easier to vote generally favor Democrats.  

[Motown Bombers]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:28 PM, Tiger337 said:

It has nothing to do with election security.  If having mail-in ballots and not having photo IDs favored Republicans, we wouldn't hear a peep out of Republicans about election security.  In that case, we would hear Democrats talking about election security!

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Mail in voting always favored Republicans until 2020. Democrats never talked about election security in the same Republicans did. This isn't a both sides thing. 

[Motown Bombers]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:32 PM, Tiger337 said:

I think measures which make it easier to vote generally favor Democrats.  

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Mail in voting always favored Republicans because more seniors and military used. The pandemic in 2020 caused more younger people and minorities to use it and suddenly it was a problem. 

[Tiger337]

 

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:39 PM, Motown Bombers said:

Mail in voting always favored Republicans because more seniors and military used. The pandemic in 2020 caused more younger people and minorities to use it and suddenly it was a problem. 

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It would be a poor political move if they spoke out against veterans and elderly doing mail-in voting.  However, If mass e-mail voting favored Republicans, you can bet that the Democrats would have complained about it.  They probably wouldn't have had a nut job president pushing conspiracy theories and encouraging them to storm the capital, but they would have complained about election security.  

[Motown Bombers]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:59 PM, Tiger337 said:

 

It would be a poor political move if they spoke out against veterans and elderly doing mail-in voting.  However, If mass e-mail voting favored Republicans, you can bet that the Democrats would have complained about it.  They probably wouldn't have had a nut job president pushing conspiracy theories and encouraging them to storm the capital, but they would have complained about election security.  

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I suppose but Democrats in Michigan at least made mail in voting easier before the pandemic hit. There is no both sides to this.

[pfife]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:59 PM, Tiger337 said:

 

It would be a poor political move if they spoke out against veterans and elderly doing mail-in voting.  However, If mass e-mail voting favored Republicans, you can bet that the Democrats would have complained about it.  They probably wouldn't have had a nut job president pushing conspiracy theories and encouraging them to storm the capital, but they would have complained about election security.  

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so it's both sides because one side did complain and the other "would have" and actually didn't when the coin was literally on the other side (mail in favored GOP)?

[mtutiger]

  On 11/21/2021 at 5:59 PM, Tiger337 said:

 

It would be a poor political move if they spoke out against veterans and elderly doing mail-in voting.  However, If mass e-mail voting favored Republicans, you can bet that the Democrats would have complained about it.  

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The reality is that the state that perfected and mainstreamed the concept of mass mail-in voting was Florida. Which has had Republican Governors in charge since I was 2. And it has been widely used in a lot of western, R-led states like Utah, Idaho and Arizona for years as well.

And while I dont know that Dems previously complained or not when they weren't as nimble at turning out voters for mail-in ballots, the reality is that that form of voting only became a bogeyman for Rs when Donald Trump made it a bogeyman for Rs.

[Tiger337]

  On 11/21/2021 at 7:40 PM, mtutiger said:

The reality is that the state that perfected and mainstreamed the concept of mass mail-in voting was Florida. Which has had Republican Governors in charge since I was 2. And it has been widely used in a lot of western, R-led states like Utah, Idaho and Arizona for years as well.

And while I dont know that Dems previously complained or not when they weren't as nimble at turning out voters for mail-in ballots, the reality is that that form of voting only became a bogeyman for Rs when Donald Trump made it a bogeyman for Rs.

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I was not aware of this.  I had always thought that mail-in votes were limited to special cases like elderly and military.  

Edited November 21, 2021 by Tiger337

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/21/2021 at 11:00 PM, Tiger337 said:

I was not aware of this.  I had always thought that mail-in votes were limited to special cases like elderly and veterans.  

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pretty wide variation by state. At one end, in MI back in the day you did to have swear out an affidavit that you couldn't be there in person to get an absentee, whereas when we were in MN, starting about a month before the election you could just walk into a municipal office and pick up an absentee or early vote on the spot, no questions asked.

[CMRivdogs]

  On 11/21/2021 at 7:40 PM, mtutiger said:

The reality is that the state that perfected and mainstreamed the concept of mass mail-in voting was Florida. Which has had Republican Governors in charge since I was 2. And it has been widely used in a lot of western, R-led states like Utah, Idaho and Arizona for years as well.

And while I dont know that Dems previously complained or not when they weren't as nimble at turning out voters for mail-in ballots, the reality is that that form of voting only became a bogeyman for Rs when Donald Trump made it a bogeyman for Rs.

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The latest expansion of mail in ballots were proposed and passed by Republican legislators in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan pre COVID. It only became an issue because TFG suddenly decided he hated it.

[pfife]

In Michigan I think it was prop 2 on the 2016 ballot that gave us no excuse absentee voting.  Maybe it was 2018....?

Edited November 22, 2021 by pfife

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/22/2021 at 3:18 AM, pfife said:

In Michigan I think it was prop 2 on the 2016 ballot that gave us no excuse absentee voting.  

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My recollection is generally poor but I thought it was an off year so I cheated and looked it up: Prop3 - 2018.

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Michigan_Proposal_3,_Voting_Policies_in_State_Constitution_Initiative_(2018)

Edited November 22, 2021 by gehringer_2

[pfife]

yep thought about it too and edited and added that it mighta been 2018.   Same year they legalized weed.   

[Motown Bombers]

More of that subtle voter suppression Republicans like. 

 

[1984Echoes]

  On 11/23/2021 at 1:29 AM, Motown Bombers said:

More of that subtle voter suppression Republicans like. 

 

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FTFY: More of that BLATANT voter suppression Republicans like. 

[Motown Bombers]