12/18/23 @ 7:30 PM EST Detroit Pistons @ Atlanta Hawks

[Tigeraholic1]

[buddha]

beat writers already planting the seeds for trades...

miles bridges has come up.  that's how desperate they are.  jerami grant too.  if youre taking on that contract you better be giving up nothing.  of course, troy the negotiating king will surely give up ivey or duren.

[Deleterious]

Hard to get a good return when you have so little to give up.

They can trade their first round pick in 2029, 2030, and 2031.

[Deleterious]

JEIII said Boston, Dallas, and Oklahoma City have shown interest in Stewart.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

miles bridges has come up. 

I mean, sure, if you want to take a cruddy season and make it worse.

[Motown Bombers]

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Hard to get a good return when you have so little to give up.

They can trade their first round pick in 2029, 2030, and 2031.

Not sure I would trade those picks since we may need them for the rebuild. 

[Betrayer]

Let’s go! I’m heading to the game now. Time to break this streak.
 

Maybe I can hit a jump shot if they put me in. 

[Hart]

Nice to see Cade has a game like this in him.

[RandyMarsh]

Pistons lose again. Just for S&Gs the Pistons have 9 wins this calendar year, the Lions have 12. 

[KL2]

 

[Tigerbomb13]

[Deleterious]

I think we waited a year too long to trade Burks.   He has been awful so far this season.

Imagine Cade in an offense where the defense has to guard the corner 3.  Cade with space is a scary thought.  

[buddha]

about time cade.

next game is where they break the streak.

[Deleterious]

Cade Cunningham showing real progress during Pistons’ losing streak

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Over his last 10 games, Cunningham is averaging 22 points on 49 percent shooting from the field, seven assists and only three turnovers. He’s got a true shooting percentage of 58. He’s attempting 4.3 free throws per game. Cunningham is converting 73 percent of his shot attempts in the restricted area.

For comparison, through the first 17 games, Cunningham averaged 22 points on just 40 percent shooting from the field, seven assists and 4.8 turnovers. He had a true shooting percentage of 50.1. Cunningham attempted less than four free throws per game. He only converted 49.4 percent (!) of his shots in the restricted area.

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Cade Cunningham showing real progress during Pistons’ losing streak

 

Good. Now lets see him do it when the Pistons are in competitive games and the other team is trying.

[RandyMarsh]

Its definitely better than regressing but yeah I'm with G2 its hard for me to get too excited about it when the team is still getting blown out every night. 

[buddha]

jeiii has to say something nice about the pistons at all times, lest troy weaver be held accountable.

[gehringer_2]

Has there ever been a GM in any big 4 sport that still had a job after 4 of 49? 

[Motown Bombers]

21 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Has there ever been a GM in any big 4 sport that still had a job after 4 of 49? 

Not even the Millen Lions had a stretch that bad. That's a winning percentage of 8. 

[casimir]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Has there ever been a GM in any big 4 sport that still had a job after 4 of 49? 

So trying to tank the last quarter/third of last season is no different than the start of this season with the highest paid coach in terms of record.

[Betrayer]

11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Good. Now lets see him do it when the Pistons are in competitive games and the other team is trying.

If they're trying anything it's to blitz him on every pick and roll because they know he and Bogey are all we've got. He's doing what he's doing in the 100th game of his career, coming off a season long injury, with zero help, and constant defensive pressure because they don't have to guard anyone else.

Yeah, this season is bad, this owner is bad, this GM is bad, this coach is bad, and this roster is bad...but a developing All-Star in Cade is one of the few things we have going for us. People act like this dude should just walk in and dominate as if he's in his prime in what amounts to his second season in the worst situation you could put him in.

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

If they're trying anything it's to blitz him on every pick and roll because they know he and Bogey are all we've got. He's doing what he's doing in the 100th game of his career, coming off a season long injury, with zero help, and constant defensive pressure because they don't have to guard anyone else.

Yeah, this season is bad, this owner is bad, this GM is bad, this coach is bad, and this roster is bad...but a developing All-Star in Cade is one of the few things we have going for us. People act like this dude should just walk in and dominate as if he's in his prime in what amounts to his second season in the worst situation you could put him in.

There are two ways of looking at it, and until Weaver is gone and the roster turns over (and assuming Cade doesn't bolt) we won't be able to prove it either way: 1) Cade is great but despite that Weaver has assembled such a historically bad roster than even a great player can't lift it above a 0.100% win rate. B) If Cade were as good as his backers claim, the Piston's couldn't be this bad even if you invited 4 other guys off the street to play with him - i.e. every great NBA player lifts his team.

Time will tell.

I am sympathetic to the idea that Weaver has been multiple steps beyond total incompetence, and given the obviousness of that fact, it's beyond depressing that he is still employed because it means the owner is just as lost.

Edited December 20, 2023 by gehringer_2

[buddha]

hollinger basically cutting and pasting from this board in his article on the pistons today.

[NYLion]

13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

There are two ways of looking at it, and until Weaver is gone and the roster turns over (and assuming Cade doesn't bolt) we won't be able to prove it either way: 1) Cade is great but despite that Weaver has assembled such a historically bad roster than even a great player can't lift it above a 0.100% win rate. B) If Cade were as good as his backers claim, the Piston's couldn't be this bad even if you invited 4 other guys off the street to play with him - i.e. every great NBA player lifts his team.

Time will tell.

I am sympathetic to the idea that Weaver has been multiple steps beyond total incompetence, and given the obviousness of that fact, it's beyond depressing that he is still employed because it means the owner is just as lost.

I think B is hogwash. I don't think anybody expected Cade to be a LeBron or Luka. Luka-lite is what some billed him as but nobody expected him to be some generational talent that can carry a carcass of a roster to relevancy. Like 95% of the players in the league, Cade needs some help to form a winning team, he needs a robin to run with like Tatum has with Brown or Booker had with CP3 in his early years or SGA has with Williams, Dort, Chet, Banchero with Wagner (who is really underrated) etc.

You know what Cade gets? Hayes who should be nowhere near a starting lineup, a rookie Ausar who can't shoot worth a damn, Stewart who should be nowhere near a starting lineup and Duren who is a putback/lob center at this point in his career and is very green still. He's had Bogey in recent games but he's like the anti-Ausar, good scorer but can't play a lick of defense. I'm sorry but who outside of the very elite players can carry that team to anything more than a few wins. Granted, the 23 game losing streak doesn't look great on Cade as one of the leaders but he's in this fight alone essentially. 

[RandyMarsh]

I used to have the mentality that it the team is horrendous then their best player may but be as good as the stats show but I learned my lesson there with SGA.

When it was rumored OKC would trade him for Ironically the Cade pick I didn't want the trade cause of that mindset. I thought "how good could he actually be if the team still sucks?" well it turns out he is pretty damn  good and he can be the top dog on a contending team with the right pieces.