12/18/23 @ 7:30 PM EST Detroit Pistons @ Atlanta Hawks

[RandyMarsh]

Found something the Pistons arent last in.

[gehringer_2]

The thing that makes it look worse for Cade is that if he’s a difference maker player, the team should at least be better this year than it was without him last year- on the assumption of other things being equal. So you have to accept that the roster below Cade got materially worse, or that Williams is a  disaster - but there may easily be enough truth to both to have hope for Cade. 

[Betrayer]

55 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The thing that makes it look worse for Cade is that if he’s a difference maker player, the team should at least be better this year than it was without him last year- on the assumption of other things being equal. So you have to accept that the roster below Cade got materially worse, or that Williams is a  disaster - but there may easily be enough truth to both to have hope for Cade. 

I'd say both the roster and Williams have been a disaster for sure. Even look at their record last year after the trade deadline. They only won 2 games. This roster isn't just bad, it also doesn't make sense. You can't have zero wings and almost no players who can play both sides of the ball in today's NBA. Then Williams comes in and makes it worse by alienating players, giving minutes to G League level players, and taking 25 games to supposedly start "learning the players."

[RandyMarsh]

Also you have to factor in how other teams may or may not have improved. For simplicity sake let's say this year's Pistons are no better or no worse in a vaccuum than last years but if every other team in the league got a little better via acquisitions or just improvement within then its obviously a net negative for us.