RatkoVarda Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Will be very hypocritical if the writers vote in Big Papi, who used, and not the others only because he’s a good guy. but that's what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Will be very hypocritical if the writers vote in Big Papi, who used, and not the others only because he’s a good guy. He also said F****** when addressing Red Sox fans after the marathon bombing. That made him a hero and led them to the world championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: He also said F****** when addressing Red Sox fans after the marathon bombing. That made him a hero and led them to the world championship. Its a powerful word. I love that word. Maybe my favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: He also said F****** when addressing Red Sox fans after the marathon bombing. That made him a hero and led them to the world championship. It made him hit that grand slam later in the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I feel like someone should quote Risky Business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tenacious D Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Bonds Clemens Helton Kent Schilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I'd go Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, Schilling, Ramirez, Jones. As mentioned before I care more about how you were viewed at the time of your peak compared to your peers than your overall career totals. Also I don't care if you did steroids if I feel you were a HOFer even if you discount the years that you allegedly did them. That's why I don't have Sosa on here cause even though his career would warrant it if you take away the late 90s early 00s part of his career when he was accused of doing them he isn't a HOFer. With that out of the way I feel the first 3 don't warrant an explanation other than to say Bonds is arguably the greatest hitter of all time, Clemens the best pitcher of the last 50 years and aside from maybe Trout, A-Rod is the best all around player I have seen in my 35 years of watching baseball. I included Schilling cause not only did he have a 5 seasons of 8 plus WAR which is insane but I also think you have to include his postseason numbers and he is second all time among pitchers in postseason WPA. Jones I put in cause he is the best fielding CF I have seen in my time watching baseball, that alone may warrant consideration but he had a 7 year peak where he averaged over 6 WAR a season. His JAWS score is also more than many other HOF CFers. Manny I put in cause he is simply one of the best hitters of all time. His OPS+ is just 1 point behind Hank Aaron and Willie Mays, the same as Frank Robinson and ahead of guys like Miggy and Pujols. Plus he is one of the best postseason hitters of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Also I do put some emphasis on the "Fame" part, it's not super important but it is an intangible that I think warrants consideration which is why if I was an actual voter and did more thorough research I may even include David Ortiz on that list. Yes Edgar was a better player and you could argue that since he isn't in no DH should be but I don't think that is fair. Two wrongs shouldnt make a right. Ortiz was one of the most feared hitters for 15 years, had some of the biggest hits in the playoffs in recent memory, was one of the most famous baseball players during his run and overall was one of the best at what he was asked to do and that's mash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Also I do put some emphasis on the "Fame" part, it's not super important but it is an intangible that I think warrants consideration which is why if I was an actual voter and did more thorough research I may even include David Ortiz on that list. Yes Edgar was a better player and you could argue that since he isn't in no DH should be but I don't think that is fair. Two wrongs shouldnt make a right. Ortiz was one of the most feared hitters for 15 years, had some of the biggest hits in the playoffs in recent memory, was one of the most famous baseball players during his run and overall was one of the best at what he was asked to do and that's mash. Martinez is in. It took a long time, but he made it in 2019. I think Ortiz deserves credit for his strong post-season play, although I put a lot more emphasis on the regular season. It's also ok to consider "fame" as a qualification as long as you are consistent. I personally wouldn't though. I will look at this more later because I love this stuff, but right now I'll go with Bonds, Clemens, Rodriguez, Schilling, Rolen, Helton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I still can not support the druggies. Bonds and Clemens in particular. Bonds as all time HR champion is a fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Martinez is in. It took a long time, but he made it in 2019. I think Ortiz deserves credit for his strong post-season play, although I put a lot more emphasis on the regular season. It's also ok to consider "fame" as a qualification as long as you are consistent. I personally wouldn't though. I will look at this more later because I love this stuff, but right now I'll go with Bonds, Clemens, Rodriguez, Schilling, Rolen, Helton. Rolen is under the radar, a fine defensive player at third base who, in his first 10 full seasons, had an OPS+ of at least 120 for 9 of those 10 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 10:05 AM, buddha said: schilling is so much better than jack morris. And water is wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 4:01 PM, RatkoVarda said: Career HRs Prince Fielder: 319 Career HRs Cecil Fielder: 319 Should Cecil get some extra credit for siring Prince? Is there a stat for that? Kind of like an assist in basketball and hockey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Rolen is under the radar, a fine defensive player at third base who, in his first 10 full seasons, had an OPS+ of at least 120 for 9 of those 10 years. I like JAWS as a measure of prime performance. Rolen holds his own based on that measure. You know what it kind of reminds me of (on a quick summary level)? Rolen had a better prime, Whitaker maybe a better career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 10:19 PM, sabretooth said: I feel like someone should quote Risky Business Princeton could use a man like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: Princeton could use a man like you. Joel, get off the babysitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Joel, get off the babysitter Sometimes you just gotta say **** it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I have a Trig midterm tomorrow and I'm being chased by Guido The Killer Pimp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 well, looks like the university of illinois! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 10:05 AM, Archie said: Pete Rose is one of greatest to play the game and should be in the HOF. He may have gambled but he bet on himself not against himself where he could rig a game. What about all the other players who were declared permanently ineligible because they gambled on a game in which they had a duty to perform? Should they all be reinstated back into the game? Or just Pete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: What about all the other players who were declared permanently ineligible because they gambled on a game in which they had a duty to perform? Should they all be reinstated back into the game? Or just Pete? They probably shouldn't be, but MLB's hypocritical relationship with gambling is making me reconsider. The logical thing would be to punish MLB for promoting gambling on the game, but that is obviously not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 7:32 PM, SoCalTiger said: I still can not support the druggies. Bonds and Clemens in particular. Bonds as all time HR champion is a fraud. Does This Prove That Hank Aaron Was Juicing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: They probably shouldn't be, but MLB's hypocritical relationship with gambling is making me reconsider. The logical thing would be to punish MLB for promoting gambling on the game, but that is obviously not going to happen. I'm interested in what Bunker thinks about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 MLB’s actions against willie mays and Mickey mantle certainly look stupid now. I’m only 48 and already feel behind the times with crypto, NFT’s, gambling, and pot all being big only legal but mainstreamed. I’m not into any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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