Week Seventeen: Detroit Lions (11-4) @ Dallas Cowboys (10-5)

[RatkoVarda]

I think the NFL Draft is going to be very entertaining next year.

And by entertaining, I mean an absolute train wreak for the NFL!

[MichiganCardinal]

I'm still pissed.

[MichiganCardinal]

The answer isn't the league stepping in through Rule 17. The answer was the league stepping in in the two minutes of chaos. Brad Allen has a replay official in his ear. All the time they come across and correct things, even without a full fledged video review. Every time they go "after consultation on the field", it's usually actually the replay guy coming in with an assist.... Nothing stopped the replay official from saying "hey let's slow this down and make sure we are right here. Looking at the replay, 70 doesn't approach you. 68 does. Are you sure 70 reported as eligible? Because that's not really supported by video"

But that happening in JerryWorld? Fat chance.

[MichiganCardinal]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

DC and his boys need to use this as motivation as they go on a **** YOU tour in these playoffs.

I do think there is something to this. Campbell has always played better as the underdog, as the team that's counted out, as the.... villain? I think this will absolutely be motivation moving forward, and they will be a much harder team to oust in the playoffs.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motown Bombers]

Two things I have only seen once in an NFL game, refs announcing a pass interference penalty and then picking up the flag and waving it off with no explanation and announcing the wrong guy as eligible. Both late in the 4th quarter against the Cowboys in Dallas. 

[MichiganCardinal]

While I disagreed with going for two from the 7 and the 3 1/2, because I thought it was emotional and not logical, one take I read kind of turned me in favor of it a little more, even if it's not one Campbell would ever cite to.

With the division and playoffs secured, it's possible the juice wasn't worth the squeeze from an OT period. If you enter OT, you might have a slightly better chance at winning (relative to converting a 2pt conversion from the 7 or the 3 1/2), but you also have a much higher chance of sustaining a season-killing injury. Leave it all on the line, go win it with your offense. Twice. Because the refs didn't hear you the first time.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I want to buy a  DAN CAMPBELL VS. EVERYBODY shirt.    

I'm thinking of a:

"Brad Allen is a LYING ****" T-shirt.

[The Ronz]

Why does everyone keep saying the Lions couldn't have done anything because they were out of time outs?

Isn't the extra point an untimed play?

[MichiganCardinal]

2 minutes ago, The Ronz said:

Why does everyone keep saying the Lions couldn't have done anything because they were out of time outs?

Isn't the extra point an untimed play?

There is still a play clock.

[MichiganCardinal]

The NFL will hope that everyone just forgets this by Tuesday because of the full slate of games today.

Edited December 31, 2023 by MichiganCardinal

[1984Echoes]

28 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

While I disagreed with going for two from the 7 and the 3 1/2, because I thought it was emotional and not logical, one take I read kind of turned me in favor of it a little more, even if it's not one Campbell would ever cite to.

With the division and playoffs secured, it's possible the juice wasn't worth the squeeze from an OT period. If you enter OT, you might have a slightly better chance at winning (relative to converting a 2pt conversion from the 7 or the 3 1/2), but you also have a much higher chance of sustaining a season-killing injury. Leave it all on the line, go win it with your offense. Twice. Because the refs didn't hear you the first time.

I also approve of going for the 2 three times in a row from the simple philosophical POV of:

Always go for the throat. Go for the win. Relentless. Attack.

I think that's the mentality of DC and that's the mentality of the team. Which I approve. But also...

We win on that 3rd play if Goff gets a little more air on the throw to Mitchell. Mitchell has the two points, if Goff doesn't underthrow...

[ben9753]

2 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

The NFL will hope that everyone just forgets this by Tuesday because of the full slate of games today.

They are right. Unless it affects the Chiefs or Cowboys, it doesn't really matter.

[1984Echoes]

35 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I LOVE it that Ryan was so pissed off and said it was clearly the Officials mistake.

[The Ronz]

7 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

There is still a play clock.

OK - Then I blame Dan Cambell. The stadium announcer clearly announced that number 70 was eligible. Wasn't Cambell or anyone on the Lion's coaching staff listening. If the Lions feel that Decker reported but the ref/PA announcer announced the wrong player - the answer is tough sh*t? That's crap.

[Motor City Sonics]

Here comes the apology from the NFL.   Well........

 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

Just now, The Ronz said:

OK - Then I blame Dan Cambell. The stadium announcer clearly announced that number 70 was eligible. Wasn't Cambell or anyone on the Lion's coaching staff listening. If the Lions feel that Decker reported but the ref/PA announcer announced the wrong player - the answer is tough sh*t? That's crap.

Um, no, they weren't.   They are very focused on what the next play is, they're probably talking to players/coaches the whole time and it's not always easy to hear what is being said on the PA anyway (plus the crowd noise).    

Players/coaches drown that **** out

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, The Ronz said:

OK - Then I blame Dan Cambell. The stadium announcer clearly announced that number 70 was eligible. Wasn't Cambell or anyone on the Lion's coaching staff listening. If the Lions feel that Decker reported but the ref/PA announcer announced the wrong player - the answer is tough sh*t? That's crap.

So WTF was Campbell suppose to do? He can't run out on to the field. If the Lions jump up and down that it is 68 who is eligible, it ruins the play. Also, the Lions want to snap it quickly after a lineman is announced as eligible so the defense doesn't have time to react. 

[The Ronz]

There is no next play.

They either make the extra point or they don't.

There is literally nothing else to pay attention to.

Whether the extra point is made or missed the next play is the Lions are kicking off.

[MichiganCardinal]

Just now, The Ronz said:

OK - Then I blame Dan Cambell. The stadium announcer clearly announced that number 70 was eligible. Wasn't Cambell or anyone on the Lion's coaching staff listening. If the Lions feel that Decker reported but the ref/PA announcer announced the wrong player - the answer is tough sh*t? That's crap.

That's not the answer either though. If Allen makes a mistake, it's not on the Lions to take a delay of game penalty to correct him, also in the process ruining their play by announcing to the Cowboys who the ball is going to. It's not like they would correct it if the ball wasn't going to Decker.

[Motor City Sonics]

43 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

While I disagreed with going for two from the 7 and the 3 1/2, because I thought it was emotional and not logical, one take I read kind of turned me in favor of it a little more, even if it's not one Campbell would ever cite to.

With the division and playoffs secured, it's possible the juice wasn't worth the squeeze from an OT period. If you enter OT, you might have a slightly better chance at winning (relative to converting a 2pt conversion from the 7 or the 3 1/2), but you also have a much higher chance of sustaining a season-killing injury. Leave it all on the line, go win it with your offense. Twice. Because the refs didn't hear you the first time.

Plus you show the team that you believe in them and that you have brass balls and believe me, that is going to resonate with those players.    I guarantee you there is not a single player in that locker room grousing about what Campbell did.   He showed a lot of love and respect to his players by asking them to go get it and the loss stings but that, in the long run, only fuels this team's fire. 

[Motor City Sonics]

2 minutes ago, The Ronz said:

There is no next play.

They either make the extra point or they don't.

There is literally nothing else to pay attention to.

Whether the extra point is made or missed the next play is the Lions are kicking off.

The next play being the 2 point conversion (since they hadn't run it yet).   It's like slamming Brady Hoke for not noticing his QB  stumbling after a hard hit.   Brady wasn't looking at the huddle, Brady was focusing on the next thing.    

[MichiganCardinal]

It's the complete lack of accountability that gets to me. I wonder if Allen saw the replay before making his comments. Because there is no way someone can see that exchange after the fact and say "yeah #70 reported as eligible".

Admit you ****ed it up.

[RedRamage]

51 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Kyle Meinke says pretty much the same thing here that this play was drawn up for the officials before the game so they knew what to expect... and they still got it wrong. It's harder and harder for me to just accept that it was a mistake.
https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/12/admit-it-refs-you-kicked-the-call-and-changed-the-playoff-landscape-for-detroit.html