Detroit Lions 2024 Offseason Thread

[KL2]

10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions have nearly $30 million in cap space even with the Carlton Davis $14 million cap hit but it was really important to get that extra $2 million in space from Cominsky. 

Just because you can doesn't mean you should spend/overpay for pretty much anything in life. 

That's financial management 101

[KL2]

16 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Armstead is the 2nd highest cap hit for the 49ers who are projected to be over the cap. They had to make a move. The Lions are well below the cap and asking players who they just signed to small contracts to take pay cuts. I'm surprised the NFLPA doesn't say something. 

[MichiganCardinal]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions have nearly $30 million in cap space even with the Carlton Davis $14 million cap hit but it was really important to get that extra $2 million in space from Cominsky. 

It's a business at the end of the day. That $2MM might matter at the trade deadline. And the restructure didn't come without benefit to Cominsky too, he got an additional $500k converted to a signing bonus. What if we sign Reader and Mack, and then use one or two of our first three picks on the defensive line? He would be a fringe roster player at that point.

I expect Davis will get extended to free up some space too. At 27 and for a 3rd round pick, I doubt he's a one year rental.

[4hzglory]

15 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Armstead is the 2nd highest cap hit for the 49ers who are projected to be over the cap. They had to make a move. The Lions are well below the cap and asking players who they just signed to small contracts to take pay cuts. I'm surprised the NFLPA doesn't say something. 

The NFLPA doesn’t say anything because it’s common practice and the player would rather take the pay cut rather than be cut, not likely find a better contract and have to move.

 

if the player thinks they can get a better situation, they refuse the pay cut and are released.

 

Cominsky also got an extra $500k of his contract guaranteed and paid right away as a bonus.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, MichiganCardinal said:

It's a business at the end of the day. That $2MM might matter at the trade deadline. And the restructure didn't come without benefit to Cominsky too, he got an additional $500k converted to a signing bonus. What if we sign Reader and Mack, and then use one or two of our first three picks on the defensive line? He would be a fringe roster player at that point.

I expect Davis will get extended to free up some space too. At 27 and for a 3rd round pick, I doubt he's a one year rental.

He would still get cut. This in no way is job security for Cominsky because the cost to the Lions to cut him is still the same. 

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

The NFLPA doesn’t say anything because it’s common practice and the player would rather take the pay cut rather than be cut, not likely find a better contract and have to move.

 

if the player thinks they can get a better situation, they refuse the pay cut and are released.

 

Cominsky also got an extra $500k of his contract guaranteed and paid right away as a bonus.

The NFLPA does warn their players about teams. If the Lions keep not spending, and then ask the players they do sign to pay cuts a year later while they are flush with cap space, the NFLPA will start warning players about the Lions like they used to do about the Bengals. It's weird, the Lions were criticized for recouping bonuses from Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson that were unearned but feel it's ok to constantly ask their players to take pay cuts. 

[4hzglory]

6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

He would still get cut. This in no way is job security for Cominsky because the cost to the Lions to cut him is still the same. 

Actually the cost is now $500k more for the Lions to cut him and he gets the $500k now that he wouldn’t otherwise.

Edited March 13, 2024 by 4hzglory

[MichiganCardinal]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

He would still get cut. This in no way is job security for Cominsky because the cost to the Lions to cut him is still the same. 

It's not job security but it is added financial security. Even if he is cut even without playing another game for the Lions - or another game in the NFL - that's his money to keep. He's (only?) made about $7MM in his career. It's a cut-throat league where guys leave around age 30 needing to make their career earnings last the next 40-50+ years. Another $500k guaranteed is 1/14 of his total career earnings, and can go a long way.

[Longgone]

44 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Have the 49ers asked four players to do it in two years? 

Probably four in the last week.

[Motown Bombers]

8 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

Actually the cost is now $500k more for the Lions to cut him and he gets the $500k now that he wouldn’t otherwise.

All it did was raise the cap hit to release him before June 1st. His post June 1st cap hit is still the same. They still can release him with a post June 1st designation for the same cap hit as before. 

[Longgone]

33 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The NFLPA does warn their players about teams. If the Lions keep not spending, and then ask the players they do sign to pay cuts a year later while they are flush with cap space, the NFLPA will start warning players about the Lions like they used to do about the Bengals. It's weird, the Lions were criticized for recouping bonuses from Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson that were unearned but feel it's ok to constantly ask their players to take pay cuts. 

Where in heaven's name do you get the idea that the Lions are abusing the cap and not spending? That is absurd.

[MichiganCardinal]

Mike Williams was cut. If he can’t get a long-term deal somewhere, seems like a one-year Holmes classic candidate.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Longgone said:

Where in heaven's name do you get the idea that the Lions are abusing the cap and not spending? That is absurd.

Where in heaven's name did I say they were abusing the cap? The part of not spending is pretty evident considering they haven't spent money in 3 years now. I said there isn't any reason to renegotiate Cominsky's contract since they don't need the cap space unless they have something big up their sleeve. 

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Mike Williams was cut. If he can’t get a long-term deal somewhere, seems like a one-year Holmes classic candidate.

He would be a good X receiver that would compliment St Brown and Jameson perfectly. It seemed like they were interested in that type of player when they traded for Peoples-Jones. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

The things they have up their sleeve are deals for Goff, Sewell, and St. Brown. That's it, those are the big deals and that is where their cap space will be spent.

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said:

The things they have up their sleeve are deals for Goff, Sewell, and St. Brown. That's it, those are the big deals and that is where their cap space will be spent.

That literally has no bearing on Cominsky since he will be off the books before those contracts kick in. In fact, they could have created a lot more cap space this year if they extended Goff in February. 

[Motown Bombers]

I'm just thinking of the flashbacks if the Lions sign a Mike Williams.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

3 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Mike Williams was cut. If he can’t get a long-term deal somewhere, seems like a one-year Holmes classic candidate.

He has the injury history Brad likes, so there is a chance he could be had at the end of his career for a reasonable price given that. Brad clearly likes to buy lower on injured guys in hopes that they rebound and don't cost the team much. Michael Thomas is another name out there, who played under Campbell with the Saints and fits the X Receiver type.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

That literally has no bearing on Cominsky since he will be off the books before those contracts kick in. In fact, they could have created a lot more cap space this year if they extended Goff in February. 

The Lions have until tomorrow actually before Goff's roster bonus kicks in. If they agree to a deal today, they can roll that roster bonus into a signing bonus and save on cap space this year. 

[Motown Bombers]

Thomas has the Campbell connection but Williams injury history isn't nearly as bad. I think receiver is an underrated need and would love a big outside receive like Williams. 

[Longgone]

13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Where in heaven's name did I say they were abusing the cap? The part of not spending is pretty evident considering they haven't spent money in 3 years now. I said there isn't any reason to renegotiate Cominsky's contract since they don't need the cap space unless they have something big up their sleeve. 

They have spent. It doesn't have to be on something big. It's not prudent to spend all your cap and hamstring yourself.

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Longgone said:

They have spent. It doesn't have to be on something big. It's not prudent to spend all your cap and hamstring yourself.

Yes, they spent it and then asked players to give it back. 

[Longgone]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Yes, they spent it and then asked players to give it back. 

And no one but you has any problem at all with that.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Longgone said:

And no one but you has any problem at all with that.

I'm just saying if the Lions continue to do it they will get a reputation. This is already an organization that has angered two hall of famers by forcing them to give back money. 

[Longgone]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I'm just saying if the Lions continue to do it they will get a reputation. 

And I'm just saying that you are way off base.