2024 Detroit Tigers Spring Training Thread

[casimir]

  On 3/4/2024 at 4:27 PM, chasfh said:

Old enough to remember the numerous wishful thinking posts in this forum predicting Harris would fire Hinch. 

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Honestly, I don't recall a whole of that.

[chasfh]

  On 3/4/2024 at 11:45 PM, Edman85 said:

Actually, @chasfh

 

I'm having a hard time interpreting this. "Actual Club Payroll" is effectively the CBT payroll.

Actually, now that I re-read... Cash considerations in lieu of a PTBNL if announced that way counts toward the CBT. Trades like Lipcius (or Leonard) do not.

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OK, so, is there a real distinction between cash consideration paid for a player, and cash paid for a player?

[theroundsquare]

I think the answer to that is "no."  In contract law, "consideration" is anything given in exchange.  I read this provision to use the phrase "cash consideration" to mean cash given in exchange.  The meaning is not different than if "consideration" were dropped; it seems only to convey as sense of specificity for "cash consideration" as opposed to other consideration, like a player contract the proverbial bag of balls. 

[Motor City Sonics]

I know it's just Spring Training and that doesn't signify much,  just ask Hall Of Famer Mike Laga,  but if Javy continues this incredible funk he's in - lets say until the end of May - do they just give up and cut him loose?      I think what might prevent that is nobody at SS really pushing him unless Kreidler starts turning heads.      I don't know, he is starting to feel like a lost cause and why tie yourself to that?     But yes, it's only Spring Training.   

[Hongbit]

  On 3/6/2024 at 6:46 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

I know it's just Spring Training and that doesn't signify much,  just ask Hall Of Famer Mike Laga,  but if Javy continues this incredible funk he's in - lets say until the end of May - do they just give up and cut him loose?      I think what might prevent that is nobody at SS really pushing him unless Kreidler starts turning heads.      I don't know, he is starting to feel like a lost cause and why tie yourself to that?     But yes, it's only Spring Training.   

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Is it possible to move him to another position within the organization?  

I’m thinking he’s better suited for day manager of the Little Caesar’s in Clawson.  

[chasfh]

Noice! 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

  On 3/6/2024 at 6:54 PM, GoBlue23 said:

I'd be curious to know how much the Tigers would be willing to part with just to be free of Baez so he's not taking up a spot on the 25 man roster?  Tigers owe him 98 million over the next four years, would they be willing to give Baez 50 million to go away?  Not saying Baez would agree to it, just curious as to how the organization views things.  

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He could be working out kinks with a new swing and it could resolve itself early in the year.    Just give me close to career average, that's all I want from now.   Talk about lowering standards.     He's got more of a supporting cast now too.     I don't know if any contract will ever be worse than Jordan Zimmermann, but this is up there (so far).  

[chasfh]

  On 3/5/2024 at 2:52 PM, theroundsquare said:

I think the answer to that is "no."  In contract law, "consideration" is anything given in exchange.  I read this provision to use the phrase "cash consideration" to mean cash given in exchange.  The meaning is not different than if "consideration" were dropped; it seems only to convey as sense of specificity for "cash consideration" as opposed to other consideration, like a player contract the proverbial bag of balls. 

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Maybe it’s as simple as, it’s just icky to say a human being was bought for cash. 

[Motor City Sonics]

  On 3/6/2024 at 7:37 PM, chasfh said:

Noice! 

 

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Well those were the big 3 we were excited about in 2021,  and it seems like the whole obligatory injury thing that all young pitchers go through is over.    Manning, though,  not an arm injury.  When's that coming?   Feels like a rite of passage at this point.   

[chasfh]

  On 3/6/2024 at 6:54 PM, GoBlue23 said:

I'd be curious to know how much the Tigers would be willing to part with just to be free of Baez so he's not taking up a spot on the 25 man roster?  Tigers owe him 98 million over the next four years, would they be willing to give Baez 50 million to go away?  Not saying Baez would agree to it, just curious as to how the organization views things.  

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Javier Baez is not going to take a penny less than $98 million, so if the Tigers want Baez to just go away, that’s what it’s gonna cost.

The bigger question is, who do you replace Baez with? Eddys Leonard is a darling right now, but he’s still an unknown quantity you can’t just hand the everyday shortstop job to right now. Otherwise, you’re looking at Ryan Kreisler, and when he comes in fielding worse and hitting worse than Javy, then what?

[oblong]

  On 3/6/2024 at 6:54 PM, GoBlue23 said:

I'd be curious to know how much the Tigers would be willing to part with just to be free of Baez so he's not taking up a spot on the 25 man roster?  Tigers owe him 98 million over the next four years, would they be willing to give Baez 50 million to go away?  Not saying Baez would agree to it, just curious as to how the organization views things.  

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He has no reason to accept that, as chasfh pointed out.  His contract is guaranteed.  He's getting $98 million the next 4 years and nobody in MLB can change that. There could be a present value/future value thing negotiated but that would involve a pay it all right now thing and I can't see the team doing that.   They can cut him but they still owe him the money.

 

[casimir]

  On 3/6/2024 at 7:47 PM, chasfh said:

Javier Baez is not going to take a penny less than $98 million, so if the Tigers want Baez to just go away, that’s what it’s gonna cost.

The bigger question is, who do you replace Baez with? Eddys Leonard is a darling right now, but he’s still an unknown quantity you can’t just hand the everyday shortstop job to right now. Otherwise, you’re looking at Ryan Kreisler, and when he comes in fielding worse and hitting worse than Javy, then what?

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Yup.  He's overpaid, but that's what free agency usually results in for the bigger contracts.  It is what it, its a sunk cost and won't be discounted by one penny unless Harris can find a team to take Baez.  And even then, I'm not sure it'd be worth the prospects to send and/or the equal bad contracts coming back to get it done.

Baez still plays damn good defense at SS.  Its not like he's a complete waste on the field.  And with the way the rest of the lineup is shaping up, hitting Baez lower in the lineup would be a way to not hide his bat, but lower its importance.

[1984Echoes]

  On 3/6/2024 at 7:47 PM, chasfh said:

Javier Baez is not going to take a penny less than $98 million, so if the Tigers want Baez to just go away, that’s what it’s gonna cost.

The bigger question is, who do you replace Baez with? Eddys Leonard is a darling right now, but he’s still an unknown quantity you can’t just hand the everyday shortstop job to right now. Otherwise, you’re looking at Ryan Kreisler, and when he comes in fielding worse and hitting worse than Javy, then what?

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The obvious solution is took put him on the bench.

If Eddys can handle SS, Baez can still back up... or provide some other usefulness... probably back up 2B too.

A WAY overpaid utility guy...

But as you say, he ain't taking less than $98 mill so until the team decides to eat whatever remains, he's either the starter or he's an expensive backup 2B/SS...

[casimir]

  On 3/6/2024 at 10:58 PM, 1984Echoes said:

The obvious solution is took put him on the bench.

If Eddys can handle SS, Baez can still back up... or provide some other usefulness... probably back up 2B too.

A WAY overpaid utility guy...

But as you say, he ain't taking less than $98 mill so until the team decides to eat whatever remains, he's either the starter or he's an expensive backup 2B/SS...

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Meanwhile, down here in reality….

[Toddwert]

not really a fan of pissing someone off that you owe 100 million to

[Tenacious D]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:00 AM, Toddwert said:

not really a fan of pissing someone off that you owe 100 million to

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I’m not really a fan of someone we owe $100 million pissing me off.

[RatkoVarda]

  On 3/6/2024 at 10:58 PM, 1984Echoes said:

The obvious solution is took put him on the bench.

If Eddys can handle SS, Baez can still back up... or provide some other usefulness... probably back up 2B too.

A WAY overpaid utility guy...

But as you say, he ain't taking less than $98 mill so until the team decides to eat whatever remains, he's either the starter or he's an expensive backup 2B/SS...

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AJ needs to grab him by the collar, and really lay into him. Give 'em the business. Give 'em the what for. Tell him that namby pamby stuff won't be tolerated and to stop being a duke of limbs.  I think we can all agree that is the one sure way to compel him to create more contact.

[Motor City Sonics]

Wait, no game today?       What, this team is sooooo goooood that they don't need to play.   When they start another season 8-25,  circle back to this day.      Season's already over.      When do the Panthers start playing? 

[casimir]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:00 AM, Toddwert said:

not really a fan of pissing someone off that you owe 100 million to

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  On 3/7/2024 at 12:03 AM, Tenacious D said:

I’m not really a fan of someone we owe $100 million pissing me off.

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Tell you what, let’s try this.  Give me $100 million and then try pissing me off.  I’ll let you know if it works.

[casimir]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:16 AM, Motor City Sonics said:

Wait, no game today?       What, this team is sooooo goooood that they don't need to play.   When they start another season 8-25,  circle back to this day.      Season's already over.      When do the Panthers start playing? 

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Split squad doubleheader tomorrow, both night games.  I believe one of the games is on Bally Sports Extra.

[Toddwert]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:03 AM, Tenacious D said:

I’m not really a fan of someone we owe $100 million pissing me off.

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yet at the end of the day he has $100 Million dollars and your just pissed and rather maybe work with him and maybe get something out of him

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[Tigermojo]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:10 AM, RatkoVarda said:

duke of limbs

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I had to look that one up.

[1984Echoes]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:45 AM, Toddwert said:

yet at the end of the day he has $100 Million dollars and your just pissed and rather maybe work with him and maybe get something out of him

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Obviously that's the first priority. Call it "Plan A".

But they've been trying to work with him the past couple years to try and help him.

Maybe they didn't have the right, or the effective, game plan for him.

Perhaps he gets his OPS up to about .750-ish and we can live with any other shortcomings (wild swings, wild throws, etc...)

But the question has already been asked: If it's mid-July and he has a low .500's OPS, and his throws are... "less than accurate"...

Then how long does the team's patience last?

At some point... who gives a **** about hurting his fee-fee's?

If he's hurting the team and another guy can help the team: then... "Plan B".

[theroundsquare]

i'm pissed off that nobody owes me $100M

[Motor City Sonics]

  On 3/7/2024 at 12:41 AM, casimir said:

Split squad doubleheader tomorrow, both night games.  I believe one of the games is on Bally Sports Extra.

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Not good enough.