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  On 3/7/2024 at 2:42 PM, GoBlue23 said:

Calling fielding percentage and errors committed "out of date" and an attempt to make him look worse is absolutely hilarious.  

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They are out of date and they are a poor measure of defensive ability. If you are going to state a case, at least use factors with some validity. 

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  On 3/7/2024 at 2:57 PM, theroundsquare said:

Starter pack, not complete equipment 

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Yeah, it does say that in the fine print, doesn't it?

They need to include one sideburn, too.  It always seemed like one sideburn stopped around his ear and the other one went two inches below the ear.

If BSD does interview someone with the garb on, I hope they eat through the interview.

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  On 3/7/2024 at 6:01 PM, GoBlue23 said:

Yes, the amount of times a player screws up in comparison to the others who play the same position is just a ridiculous way to measure their effectiveness.  

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if you keep digging, you eventually will get out of this hole. just keep digging. you're doing great. almost there.

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Posted
  On 3/7/2024 at 6:01 PM, GoBlue23 said:

Yes, the amount of times a player screws up in comparison to the others who play the same position is just a ridiculous way to measure their effectiveness.  

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What about others that make plays that a SS with a high FP% doesn't even get to?  That is left out of FP%  You can't make an error if you don't touch the ball.  A SS  or 2B with no range means they are fielding balls hit generally right at them.  Those are hard to screw up.  So they have a high FP%.  A SS or 2B with better range still makes those same plays the first guy makes, but also gets to balls outside of the other guy's range.  Of those extra chances, he will commit some errors.  So his FP% is lower.  But he's also converting more outs.  The errors made are irrelevant in comparison because in both situations the player is on base.  Would you trade less errors for less outs?

 

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Posted (edited)
  On 3/7/2024 at 6:01 PM, GoBlue23 said:

Yes, the amount of times a player screws up in comparison to the others who play the same position is just a ridiculous way to measure their effectiveness.  

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Even if errors were potentially a useful measure, the fact is that scoring in the game has become so bad and so inconsistent in the last 15-20 yrs that errors as scored are meaningless today even if they might have some intrinsic value if they were measured with any kind of integrity. Introduce yourself to statcast, have a cookie, you'll feel right as rain.

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Posted
  On 3/7/2024 at 6:45 PM, GoBlue23 said:

Maybe 20 years ago players would be dinged for making a great play just to get to a ball only to bobble it or not get the throw there in time but the scorers have become pretty good about looking at the difficulty of the play and determining whether or not an error should be awarded.  Baez didn't have a bunch of errors last year because he was getting a glove on balls that most other shortstops wouldn't have.

Looking at the stats, the top shortstops have had a "range factor" of over 5 per 9 innings.  Baez is in 120th place with a range factor of 4.289.   To put that into perspective, Jhonny Peralta is ranked #102 at 4.422.   

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You know, It's difficult to argue with a guy who's too stubborn to admit he's full of ****. Baez actually led the AL in range factor in '22, and led the NL in '21, and he was 5th in all of baseball last year.

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  On 3/7/2024 at 6:32 PM, oblong said:

What about others that make plays that a SS with a high FP% doesn't even get to?  That is left out of FP%  You can't make an error if you don't touch the ball.  A SS  or 2B with no range means they are fielding balls hit generally right at them.  Those are hard to screw up.  So they have a high FP%.  A SS or 2B with better range still makes those same plays the first guy makes, but also gets to balls outside of the other guy's range.  Of those extra chances, he will commit some errors.  So his FP% is lower.  But he's also converting more outs.  The errors made are irrelevant in comparison because in both situations the player is on base.  Would you trade less errors for less outs?

 

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I remember Jim Leyland saying this about Jhonny Peralta..."give me a guy who makes all the routine plays and he was happy"

And...autocorrect hates Jhonny.

Posted
  On 3/8/2024 at 1:09 AM, GoBlue23 said:

It's even more difficult to argue with people who are here actually trying to say that Baez isn't a bad player.  

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So state your case with other than vacuous ********, and then double down with more ********, that would be fine.

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