Tiger337 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, GoBlue23 said: Calling fielding percentage and errors committed "out of date" and an attempt to make him look worse is absolutely hilarious. I could write a whole chapter about that... 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: At least with Miggy there were milestones to achieve ...drama to keep us interested. What milestone is Baez aiming for? Most memes on the interwebs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 51 minutes ago, casimir said: Speaking of good old Jimmy... You have to supply your own Marlboros? Starter pack, not complete equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, GoBlue23 said: Calling fielding percentage and errors committed "out of date" and an attempt to make him look worse is absolutely hilarious. They are out of date and they are a poor measure of defensive ability. If you are going to state a case, at least use factors with some validity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Interview with Skubal: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/an-ace-in-the-making-tarik-skubal-attacks-with-a-varied-arsenal/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, theroundsquare said: Starter pack, not complete equipment Yeah, it does say that in the fine print, doesn't it? They need to include one sideburn, too. It always seemed like one sideburn stopped around his ear and the other one went two inches below the ear. If BSD does interview someone with the garb on, I hope they eat through the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 18 minutes ago, GoBlue23 said: Yes, the amount of times a player screws up in comparison to the others who play the same position is just a ridiculous way to measure their effectiveness. if you keep digging, you eventually will get out of this hole. just keep digging. you're doing great. almost there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 26 minutes ago, GoBlue23 said: Yes, the amount of times a player screws up in comparison to the others who play the same position is just a ridiculous way to measure their effectiveness. What about others that make plays that a SS with a high FP% doesn't even get to? That is left out of FP% You can't make an error if you don't touch the ball. A SS or 2B with no range means they are fielding balls hit generally right at them. Those are hard to screw up. So they have a high FP%. A SS or 2B with better range still makes those same plays the first guy makes, but also gets to balls outside of the other guy's range. Of those extra chances, he will commit some errors. So his FP% is lower. But he's also converting more outs. The errors made are irrelevant in comparison because in both situations the player is on base. Would you trade less errors for less outs? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, GoBlue23 said: Yes, the amount of times a player screws up in comparison to the others who play the same position is just a ridiculous way to measure their effectiveness. Even if errors were potentially a useful measure, the fact is that scoring in the game has become so bad and so inconsistent in the last 15-20 yrs that errors as scored are meaningless today even if they might have some intrinsic value if they were measured with any kind of integrity. Introduce yourself to statcast, have a cookie, you'll feel right as rain. Edited March 7 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Baez will have a better year in 2024 than 2023. By a good margin. Patience grasshoppers. If there is crow 🐦⬛ to eat in September I will be here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Tigers are playing the Blue Jays on Bally Extra channel..... camera makes me feel like im blind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 22 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Tigers are playing the Blue Jays on Bally Extra channel..... camera makes me feel like im blind Jason and Carlos Pena ... A much better team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I already like Carlos Pena. Calm, unhurried rhythm with Benetti.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, GoBlue23 said: Maybe 20 years ago players would be dinged for making a great play just to get to a ball only to bobble it or not get the throw there in time but the scorers have become pretty good about looking at the difficulty of the play and determining whether or not an error should be awarded. Baez didn't have a bunch of errors last year because he was getting a glove on balls that most other shortstops wouldn't have. Looking at the stats, the top shortstops have had a "range factor" of over 5 per 9 innings. Baez is in 120th place with a range factor of 4.289. To put that into perspective, Jhonny Peralta is ranked #102 at 4.422. You know, It's difficult to argue with a guy who's too stubborn to admit he's full of ****. Baez actually led the AL in range factor in '22, and led the NL in '21, and he was 5th in all of baseball last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 11 hours ago, casimir said: Speaking of good old Jimmy... You have to supply your own Marlboros? Mustache? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 https://x.com/jonmorosi/status/1765909391033720933?s=46&t=FxhPDe0sxb3jho61hDdo7w Carlos Pena story about Higginson prank of Franklyn German 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 18 minutes ago, GoBlue23 said: It's even more difficult to argue with people who are here actually trying to say that Baez isn't a bad player. He was a bad player overall last year. Just not a bad fielder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 hours ago, oblong said: What about others that make plays that a SS with a high FP% doesn't even get to? That is left out of FP% You can't make an error if you don't touch the ball. A SS or 2B with no range means they are fielding balls hit generally right at them. Those are hard to screw up. So they have a high FP%. A SS or 2B with better range still makes those same plays the first guy makes, but also gets to balls outside of the other guy's range. Of those extra chances, he will commit some errors. So his FP% is lower. But he's also converting more outs. The errors made are irrelevant in comparison because in both situations the player is on base. Would you trade less errors for less outs? I remember Jim Leyland saying this about Jhonny Peralta..."give me a guy who makes all the routine plays and he was happy" And...autocorrect hates Jhonny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Toddwert said: Jason and Carlos Pena ... A much better team I just started watching it on Bally. Carlos is very good. Keep Craig out, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 26 minutes ago, GoBlue23 said: It's even more difficult to argue with people who are here actually trying to say that Baez isn't a bad player. So state your case with other than vacuous ********, and then double down with more ********, that would be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Baez got his first hit of the spring. when it happened, I felt the Earth wobble on its axis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Ibombnez hit his fourth home run of the spring tonight. Maybe they should go with Urshela or McKinstry at short and Ibanez at third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: I just started watching it on Bally. Carlos is very good. Keep Craig out, please. Carlos has already vaulted himself into a solid #2 behind Dirks in the whole list of people that have been through the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 8 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Ibombnez Hmmm..... I don't think there can be a middle ground with this. Hat tip for walking the fine line of risk/reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, casimir said: Hmmm..... I don't think there can be a middle ground with this. Hat tip for walking the fine line of risk/reward. It was either Monroe or Benetti, when he hit his third home run, who came up with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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