CMRivdogs Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I know he had been giving up some HR's on his hits but that is a little surprising to me that Manning went down. It's probably a numbers game and a chance for Manning to work on a few more things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I know he had been giving up some HR's on his hits but that is a little surprising to me that Manning went down. Tough one. Only one run was earned yesterday because of Javy's bad throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 19 minutes ago, chasfh said: He did, but I don't think that nut exonerates the squirrel. FWIW, Hinch was also hired under Avila, but he wasn't Avila's choice. Who was Avila's choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: It's probably a numbers game and a chance for Manning to work on a few more things LOL at the comment below Cody's post complaining about Manning going down because they signed two starters. Just cannot win with people on the internet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, mtutiger said: LOL at the comment below Cody's post complaining about Manning going down because they signed two starters. Just cannot win with people on the internet There have been time where I would have liked to challenge some of those "armchair GM's" to play a couple of seasons in an APBA or similar draft league. I'm to old and crotchety for that drama now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 It's surprising, although I don't know how surprising it should be.... the expectations from the podcast/beat writer set seemed to assume Manning was a lock, but while Mize and Olson had flaws of their own (Mize in particular with walks), they both seemed to give up less hard contact as well in their starts. The level of competition is just higher to make this team, and that's a sign of progress. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 52 minutes ago, chasfh said: If Pipeline is to be believed, by the time Avila was shown the door, he brought the system down from an A to a D+. I would call that going backwards. I’d like to see the rankings when Avila took over in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 22 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Who was Avila's choice? It wasn’t me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I didn’t see this coming—Hope Manning doesn’t sour like Turnbull did last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Manning down is surprise for me as well as starting Olsens "clock" but he might be the best of the three and if we are revisiting Al Avila then credit where it's due for the trade if not the development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerNation Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, chasfh said: If Pipeline is to be believed, by the time Avila was shown the door, he brought the system down from an A to a D+. I would call that going backwards. You see that part where it says they were ranked #2 in the preseason prior? Could you be more disingenuous when it comes to anything involving Avila? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I’m kind of surprised Manning is the one going to Toledo. I’m not against it, someone had to go. I think it’d have been easy to assign that to Olson. A case could probably be made for any of the three to be sent down “to work on stuff”, be it stamina, control, whatever. Diaz probably goes to waivers. I suspect Wentz makes the team for the time being as an extra lefty. So I think it’s down to Faedo or Breiske. Just to echo @mtutiger, it’s nice to see the floor raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 11 minutes ago, casimir said: I’m kind of surprised Manning is the one going to Toledo. I’m not against it, someone had to go. I think it’d have been easy to assign that to Olson. A case could probably be made for any of the three to be sent down “to work on stuff”, be it stamina, control, whatever. Olson was probably the easiest to send down, just think he pitched too well this Spring.... he may have been the best of the three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Who was Avila's choice? Pedro Grifol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I know he had been giving up some HR's apparently a few too many. I thought he was clearly ahead of Mize earlier in ST but Casey really closed the gap. Now the question is how Mize's control looks in a few starts after the lights come on. Edited March 22 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 29 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Olson was probably the easiest to send down, just think he pitched too well this Spring.... he may have been the best of the three. I guess it's nice to know this wasn't a $$/service time decision. I thought after having Baddoo reach super 2 status and then not really take off they might be more reluctant to set another player up for super 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Al’s incompetence is obvious; not sure why we need to pretend that he didn’t have a few successes, almost all of which occurred in the latter years of his reign of befuddlement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Bringing Olson north is the right move. He pitched better than Manning last year. I felt it was between Mize and Manning all along. They will all be needed eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Olson is also set to pitch the most innings out of any of them. Skubal 80, Manning 78 and Mize zero innings probably means they will have limits this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, casimir said: I’d like to see the rankings when Avila took over in 2015. OK, here is one organization's opinion. The dip in 2023 has to be the graduations of some sort of combination of Mize, Manning, Skubal, Greene, and Torkelson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 26 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Olson is also set to pitch the most innings out of any of them. Skubal 80, Manning 78 and Mize zero innings probably means they will have limits this year. That could also be a factor. Olson tossed about 140 last season between Toledo and Detroit. Maybe 160-170 is his target this season? Skubal has gotten to about 150 before in 2021. Same with Mize, just a few more outs that season. Manning hasn't been above 100 since 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 7 hours ago, chasfh said: The amazing thing is that Al Avila was the disaster happening right in front of our eyes that practically nobody could deny, which all of us with few exceptions agreed on at the time. He took a franchise that had just come off a playoff run and had it floundering for not two, for not three, for not even four, but for seven years, with no respite in between and no end in sight. By the time he finally got ****-canned, other teams like the Orioles and Padres had already gone into their rebuild later and emerged much earlier. Al crippled this organization so thoroughly that it was essentially still at the beginning of its rebuild when a new front office finally came in to clean up the mess. Now, through the gauzy haze of memory, at a time when things are finally looking up two season later, people like Lynn Henning want to give Al more than half the credit for this ray of daylight, simply because out of the gaggle of players he drafted—not traded for, not signed internationally, not picked up off the waiver wire or free agent pile, but drafted, the only player acquisition channel he had even a little clue about—the new regime looks like they might be able to salvage a few. His friends who are writing the history are now casting him as the savvy hero who saved the franchise, instead of an out-of-his-depth Peter-Principled technocrat who ran it into the rocks. It’s a mass gaslighting gone berserk. So go ahead and give the guy credit if you like. At least I still remember how it really happened. Love this. Wish I could have articulated my thoughts so well. And how bloody hard is it to draft when you have the first pick twice and then number five for gosh sakes. Plus he is still out of a job I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanTigersFan Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 The Tigers might have a (dare I say) surplus of SP. There's another wave behind that. I really think they should trade one of their starters not named Skubal for a legit position player. I get that we are still a year or two away from competitive baseball, but now would be the time to get a young buck in here. I still want Cowser from Baltiomore. I think he can be had too since they have Stowers waiting in the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 49 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: Love this. Wish I could have articulated my thoughts so well. And how bloody hard is it to draft when you have the first pick twice and then number five for gosh sakes. Plus he is still out of a job I believe. Randy Smith, for one, found it very hard to find success with high draft picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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