2024 MLB Thread

[tiger2022]

And Stanton is 34. And so is Freddie Freeman.  

I think Freeman, Judge, Trout, Kershaw, Verlander, and Scherzer are all easy 1st ballot guys.

I think Stanton should be too, but some smartest guys in the room voters will not vote for him the 1st time.

Edited August 2, 2024 by tiger2022

[chasfh]

Stanton’s not going in on the first ballot unless he has a healthy late career surge. He doesn’t have the required reps because he can’t stay on the field. He’s already missed 40 games this year—he just came back from five weeks on the shelf just this week. If he can’t put up maybe three more good years healthy, it’s gonna take a few years for him to get in if he does at all.

[Tiger337]

Never mind first ballot, Stanton is not a Hall of Famer at this point.  I agree with Chas that he'll need a few more good healthy years to get in and that seems unlikely given his age and injury history.     

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Trout is a first ballot Hall of Famer right now.  The voters are more sophisticated than they were 20 years ago.  They know he's one of the all-time greats.  Kirby Pucket was a short career first ballot guy and he is not even close to Trout.  

Kirby Puckett was a throwback to the time when batting average was king. It’s hard to keep a guy with a .318 batting average and 2,500+ hits out of the Hall. Plus he has Game 6 of the 1991 Series so he got the Fame part, too.

As for Trout: he is an 86-win player. He has three MVPs, six top-5 MVP votes otherwise, and a RoY. He led the AL in OPS+ six times and runs scored four times. He amassed a 47-win five-year peak, that’s 9.5 WAR per season for five years straight.

If you’re a Hall of Fame voter, you’ll be called upon to explain why you didn’t vote for Mike Trout on the first ballot.

 

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Kirby Puckett was a throwback to the time when batting average was king. It’s hard to keep a guy with a .318 batting average and 2,500+ hits out of the Hall. Plus he has Game 6 of the 1991 Series so he got the Fame part, too.

As for Trout: he is an 86-win player. He has three MVPs, six top-5 MVP votes otherwise, and a RoY. He led the AL in OPS+ six times and runs scored four times. He amassed a 47-win five-year peak, that’s 9.5 WAR per season for five years straight.

If you’re a Hall of Fame voter, you’ll be called upon to explain why you didn’t vote for Mike Trout on the first ballot.

 

I thought I would be able to find someone with similar numbers who did not make it, but there wasn't really anybody.  The closest were Suzuki (who will make it next year), Manny Ramirez (PEDs), George VanHaltren (played mostly in 1800s).

[tiger2022]

4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I thought I would be able to find someone with similar numbers who did not make it, but there wasn't really anybody.  The closest were Suzuki (who will make it next year), Manny Ramirez (PEDs), George VanHaltren (played mostly in 1800s).

Don Mattingly is a close example.  

I think Albert Belle is kind of in the ballpark but more power and only played until he was 32.  Of course, the sport writers don't like him and his career #s might be a bit short.

[monkeytargets39]

7 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Never mind first ballot, Stanton is not a Hall of Famer at this point.  I agree with Chas that he'll need a few more good healthy years to get in and that seems unlikely given his age and injury history.     

Yeah he’s hall of very good at this point.  Aside from his power he never was really one of the best players in the league for any stretch of time.  Hes closer to Adam Dunn than HOF to me

[buddha]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

Kirby Puckett was a throwback to the time when batting average was king. It’s hard to keep a guy with a .318 batting average and 2,500+ hits out of the Hall. Plus he has Game 6 of the 1991 Series so he got the Fame part, too.

As for Trout: he is an 86-win player. He has three MVPs, six top-5 MVP votes otherwise, and a RoY. He led the AL in OPS+ six times and runs scored four times. He amassed a 47-win five-year peak, that’s 9.5 WAR per season for five years straight.

If you’re a Hall of Fame voter, you’ll be called upon to explain why you didn’t vote for Mike Trout on the first ballot.

 

someone will write that "he wasnt a winner..."

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

someone will write that "he wasnt a winner..."

They pruned the Hall voter rolls supposedly to get dilettantes like that off them. 

[Motor City Sonics]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

They pruned the Hall voter rolls supposedly to get dilettantes like that off them. 

like that pedo that didn't vote for Nolan Ryan?  

[casimir]

10 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Trout is a first ballot Hall of Famer right now.  The voters are more sophisticated than they were 20 years ago.  They know he's one of the all-time greats.  Kirby Pucket was a short career first ballot guy and he is not even close to Trout.  

Trout had 4 seasons on him at the beginning of their careers (Puckett debuted at 24, Trout at 19).  But, yes, despite the differences in eras, Trout has been the better player.

Puckett was pretty darn durable until he retired.  He never had fewer than 600 PAs except for his rookie season (584 in 1984) and the strike shortened season (482 in 1994).

[papalawrence]

Orioles called up Mayo. I don't recall a team ever being this stacked with young talent.

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, casimir said:

Trout had 4 seasons on him at the beginning of their careers (Puckett debuted at 24, Trout at 19).  But, yes, despite the differences in eras, Trout has been the better player.

Puckett was pretty darn durable until he retired.  He never had fewer than 600 PAs except for his rookie season (584 in 1984) and the strike shortened season (482 in 1994).

Pucket was a great player.  Trump has been a completely different level of player.  

[Tiger337]

Career OPS+ Leaders

Ruth 206

Williams 191

Charleston 184

Bonds 182

Gehrig 179

Stearnes 177

Hornsby 175

Trout 173

Mantle 172

That is legend territoty.  

[1984Echoes]

6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Pucket was a great player.  Trump has been a completely different level of player.  

I think you're a bit forum-confused at the moment...

Drink a cup of coffee Lee...!

[casimir]

8 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Pucket was a great player.  Trump has been a completely different level of player.  

A tremendous player.  😁

Edited August 2, 2024 by casimir

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Pucket was a great player.  Trump has been a completely different level of player.  

That may have been the most embarrassing typo in forum history.  

[Tigeraholic1]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Pucket was a great player.  Trump has been a completely different level of player.  

Oh boy Lee I bet Trump calls all of his shots.

[casimir]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

That may have been the most embarrassing typo in forum history.  

I don't know, the "look at my new hat" did allow for .... artistically expressive humiliation.

[Dan Gilmore]

A gentleman came up to me and said “Sir, you are a completely different kind of player - you belong in the Hall - you may be the greatest ever”.

[Tigermojo]

The doctor said he was the healthiest player he has ever seen.

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Pucket was a great player.  Trump has been a completely different level of player.  

Remember when he challenged Biden to a homerun derby?

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Tigermojo said:

The doctor said he was the healthiest player he has ever seen.

He would’ve been the first player to be drafted higher than 1-1 but there were bone spur concerns

Edited August 2, 2024 by monkeytargets39

[casimir]

This typo can't be as embarrassing as when our 6th grade teacher referred to one of his mistakes in class as a "boner".  He legit didn't know the ....uh.... street connotation for the term.

[Tigeraholic1]

5 minutes ago, casimir said:

This typo can't be as embarrassing as when our 6th grade teacher referred to one of his mistakes in class as a "boner".  He legit didn't know the ....uh.... street connotation for the term.

Remember Boner the guy on Growing Pains? 🙂 That would work these days.