chasfh Posted Sunday at 04:45 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:45 PM 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: He’s not leaving New York. The Mets will drive up his price, and he’ll choose between them and staying with the Yankees. No way the Yankees let the Mets steal Soto, and besides, there's nothing in it for Soto to leave the Yankees. Extra money? He'll already be on his way to being a billionaire by staying, and in the wider baseball world, Yankees >>> Mets, Yankees >>> Dodgers, Yankees >>>> Red Sox, Yankees >>>>> Cubs, and Yankees >>>>>>>>>> any other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Sunday at 04:49 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:49 PM 3 hours ago, chasfh said: I don’t think Montero is ever going to be more than just Mr. Right Now Yeah - Montero looks like a guy who needs perfect command to be successful. I suppose anyone could turn into the next Greg Maddux, but possible doesn't mean likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 04:59 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:59 PM 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Yeah - Montero looks like a guy who needs perfect command to be successful. I suppose anyone could turn into the next Greg Maddux, but possible doesn't mean likely. This I don't agree with at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM (edited) "Anyone could be the next Lou Whitaker or Alan Trammell. They didn't have great minor league stats either. Plus, Trammell didn't hit as a rookie and Whitaker had no power." Edited Sunday at 05:14 PM by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted Sunday at 07:48 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:48 PM 6 hours ago, chasfh said: I wouldn’t doubt we see Jobe coming out of camp. You just know he’s going to have a relatively focused and intense winter. No chilling out in the islands for weeks on end for this guy. This is the paying dues portion of his young career. I don’t think Montero is ever going to be more than just Mr. Right Now. There’s a good chance Mize ends up as Mr. What Could Have Been. Mazda might be simply done. I’m with you on the rest of your March-April rotation. The other part of the innings build up with young Detroit pitchers is that now playoff innings might actually be a reasonable guesstimated part of the calculation. So what does that look like for Jobe? What is the maximum workload the Tigers will allow? Do they assume a certain number of those could be playoff innings? Is there a premium for those higher stress innings vs a random Tuesday night start against Pittsburgh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 07:59 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:59 PM 10 minutes ago, casimir said: The other part of the innings build up with young Detroit pitchers is that now playoff innings might actually be a reasonable guesstimated part of the calculation. So what does that look like for Jobe? What is the maximum workload the Tigers will allow? Do they assume a certain number of those could be playoff innings? Is there a premium for those higher stress innings vs a random Tuesday night start against Pittsburgh? That matters only if he’s a top four starter, especially top three. Do we expect that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 08:00 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:00 PM Huge pass to Gibbs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM What a play to St Brown! Now chow up the clock and kick it with a second left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted Sunday at 08:45 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:45 PM Rockies want to cut payroll. Even though Blackmon is retiring already. That Kris Bryant contract might be worse than Javys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Sunday at 08:59 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:59 PM 58 minutes ago, chasfh said: That matters only if he’s a top four starter, especially top three. Do we expect that? He might the #2 starter right now. It's basically Skubal and then everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 09:20 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:20 PM 20 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: He might the #2 starter right now. It's basically Skubal and then everyone else. You think Jobe will the #2 starter over Reese and two free agent pickups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Sunday at 09:41 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:41 PM 18 minutes ago, chasfh said: You think Jobe will the #2 starter over Reese and two free agent pickups? I said he could be the #2 starter right now. Olson didn't seem to be making a great recovery from his shoulder injury and nobody else was asserting themselves as a #2. I will evaluate the new acquisitions when they happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted Sunday at 09:47 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:47 PM 1 hour ago, chasfh said: That matters only if he’s a top four starter, especially top three. Do we expect that? No, probably not. It depends on what the rotation looks like at the end of March. At the same time, do we expect the top four to be healthy come playoff time? Jobe might be a top four healthy and available starter then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Sunday at 09:58 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:58 PM 8 minutes ago, casimir said: No, probably not. It depends on what the rotation looks like at the end of March. At the same time, do we expect the top four to be healthy come playoff time? Jobe might be a top four healthy and available starter then. Yes, pitching staffs are very fluid, especially Tigers pitching staffs. The top four starters on April 1 could be very different than the top 4 on October 1 and Jobe could be part of either group or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 11:12 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:12 PM 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I said he could be the #2 starter right now. Olson didn't seem to be making a great recovery from his shoulder injury and nobody else was asserting themselves as a #2. I will evaluate the new acquisitions when they happen. Ah I see. Well, we’re not playing right now. 😁 I think it’s probable Jobe could come in as the #4 guy, other things being equal and assuming row FA/trade pickups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM (edited) If Jobe gets to #2 status at any point next year that’d be gravy—-but we definitely need to bring in someone to be a #2 and possibly a 4/5 guy. I feel good about Olson as a #3, and then whichever of Mize/Maeda/Montero/Hurter looks the best in spring to be a #5 Edited Sunday at 11:20 PM by monkeytargets39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM 1 hour ago, casimir said: No, probably not. It depends on what the rotation looks like at the end of March. At the same time, do we expect the top four to be healthy come playoff time? Jobe might be a top four healthy and available starter then. Health is always a wild card for a team. We were really lucky down the stretch that we didn’t lose anybody. Seriously, after Javy went down, almost nobody else went down. Wenceel—that was it. Once Riley came back, we had all our bullets. Not even a pitcher went out! No way can we expect that next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Sunday at 11:20 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:20 PM Just now, monkeytargets39 said: If Jobe gets to #2 status at any point next year that’d be gravy—-but we definitely need to bring in someone to be a #2 and possibly a 4/5 guy. Hopefully, that would be because Jobe takes a Paul Skenes-type step forward instead of all the other pitchers dropping like flies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Hopefully, that would be because Jobe takes a Paul Skenes-type step forward instead of all the other pitchers dropping like flies! Well yeah that’s what I was going for. Its pretty optimistic that he will ascend that quickly, so my current assumption is that he either starts as a #5 and we occasionally have him act as an opener in certain matchups, or he starts in Toledo and is the call up once someone is injured or isn’t performing. Expecting more out of him than that isn’t being realistic and hopefully Harris and Co operate this offseason as though they need to acquire 2 more SP options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM (edited) 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Hopefully, that would be because Jobe takes a Paul Skenes-type step forward instead of all the other pitchers dropping like flies! Well yeah that’s what I was going for. Its pretty optimistic that he will ascend that quickly, so my current assumption is that he either starts as a #5 and we occasionally have him act as an opener in certain matchups, or he starts in Toledo and is the call up once someone is injured or isn’t performing. Expectimore out of him than that isn’t being realistic and hopefully Harris and Co operate this offseason as though they need to acquire 2 more SP options. Edited Sunday at 11:26 PM by monkeytargets39 So good you read it twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted yesterday at 03:12 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:12 AM 10 hours ago, chasfh said: No way the Yankees let the Mets steal Soto, and besides, there's nothing in it for Soto to leave the Yankees. Extra money? He'll already be on his way to being a billionaire by staying, and in the wider baseball world, Yankees >>> Mets, Yankees >>> Dodgers, Yankees >>>> Red Sox, Yankees >>>>> Cubs, and Yankees >>>>>>>>>> any other team. Not an expert on payrolls, but isn’t the Yankees already insane with Judge, Stanton, Cole, Rizzo, LeMahieu, Rodon, etc? Will they take an unlimited salary cap approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted yesterday at 04:42 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:42 AM 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Not an expert on payrolls, but isn’t the Yankees already insane yes it is, yet of the three teams alive at the start of the day, the Yankees have the smallest payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 9 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Not an expert on payrolls, but isn’t the Yankees already insane with Judge, Stanton, Cole, Rizzo, LeMahieu, Rodon, etc? Will they take an unlimited salary cap approach? I just don’t know how they would justify to their worldwide fan base not re-signing him. Nobody seems to be waving the payroll red flag when they talk about their reuniting this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICroupier Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 14 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: If Jobe gets to #2 status at any point next year that’d be gravy—-but we definitely need to bring in someone to be a #2 and possibly a 4/5 guy. I feel good about Olson as a #3, and then whichever of Mize/Maeda/Montero/Hurter looks the best in spring to be a #5 I think this is a reasonable expectation. Skubal / FA #2 / Reese / Jobe / Mize, with Montero / Hurter as rotation depth-long men. And while reasonable, I still have some heartburn over that being our likely approach heading into next year. I'm not sold on Reese as of yet, so next year will be critical for his development. And I'm definitely not counting on Mize, but I see them giving him one more chance to remain healthy / consistent. My other concern is the weak FA pitching options. Assuming Burnes / Cole / Snell are not options, that leaves a lot of guys with question marks. I think I'd maybe target a 3-year deal for someone like Fried or Severino. Edited 20 hours ago by ICroupier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago I am sold on Olson's ability. Not sold on his health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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