Tenacious D Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 6 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: He is a strong bounce back candidate especially with Fetter. I proposed trading Maeda for him to bring the cost down to 12.5 and since the Diamondbacks owner publicly criticized him they might agree to take Maeda. Tenacious D suggesting getting a competitive balance pick as well. I didn’t propose that, but not a horrible idea. Big gamble that Montgomery can get back to the pitcher he was in previous seasons. However, I’d take that chance to unload Maeda. Regardless, I see this as a very minor transaction—basically a lottery ticket that you hope could pay off, but you don’t count on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 On 11/1/2024 at 3:14 PM, gehringer_2 said: this exactly. You can keep working a gig like that when you are old if you are in decent condition, but you have to keep working all the time to stay current like Scully did. I remember what was probably the last time Ernie appeared on the air during a Tigers game. It was a TV game, he was basically coming by to say goodbye, and the PxP guy, who I believe was Mario at the time, coaxed Ernie into calling a batter. Ernie protested a bit and Mario insisted. Well, Ernie gamely complied, but oh my lord, he was so out of practice, he sounded so halting and uncertain and just old. And in that moment I wanted to drive to Detroit just so I could go punch Mario in the face for putting Ernie in that position in the first place, and for making that the last memory I’ll have of Ernie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 On 11/2/2024 at 11:59 AM, Sports_Freak said: Anyone think Skubal will sign a contract with Detroit instead of free agency in 2 years? Blake Snell is also a Scott Boras client and just opted out of a 38.5 million dollar contract for 2025. Unbelievable. All Snell walked away from was one year. After the years he had last year and this, he’ll get four years easy and way into nine figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 On 11/2/2024 at 4:47 PM, casimir said: Enberg called a few Tiger games. I looked it up, one game in 2016 and two games in 2017. I don’t recall much of an announcement ahead of those games, but I enjoyed hearing him handle the 2017 games (which I recall because they were back to back). He called a whole bunch of seasons for the Padres way into the 2000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 6 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: 38.5 million dollars for one season should be rocking chair money. For you and me, sure, but for him, it’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: I remember what was probably the last time Ernie appeared on the air during a Tigers game. It was a TV game, he was basically coming by to say goodbye, and the PxP guy, who I believe was Mario at the time, coaxed Ernie into calling a batter. Ernie protested a bit and Mario insisted. Well, Ernie gamely complied, but oh my lord, he was so out of practice, he sounded so halting and uncertain and just old. And in that moment I wanted to drive to Detroit just so I could go punch Mario in the face for putting Ernie in that position in the first place, and for making that the last memory I’ll have of Ernie. You would think Mario would have the decency to ask ahead of time if he wanted to. Then they could play it out live as id if were spontaneous 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 38 minutes ago, chasfh said: All Snell walked away from was one year. After the years he had last year and this, he’ll get four years easy and way into nine figures. He walked away from more than one year, he walked away from 38 million bucks. Last season, he wasn't signed until ST. IMO, he's an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 26 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: He walked away from more than one year, he walked away from 38 million bucks. Last season, he wasn't signed until ST. IMO, he's an idiot. Look at it this way: He walked away from one more year at $30 million and into four-plus years at $30 million per year. He nets three extra years by opting out now. And besides, there’s no guarantee if he plays it out that he’s going to kill it in 2025 and get the same kind of contract the following winter. So, really, it’s a no-brainer on his part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Hypothetically, if the Tigers are willing to give Skubal a favorable offer, but he and Boras elect to wait until free agency, regardless of how rich the offer is, what would you do if you were Harris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 2 hours ago, chasfh said: I remember what was probably the last time Ernie appeared on the air during a Tigers game. It was a TV game, he was basically coming by to say goodbye, and the PxP guy, who I believe was Mario at the time, coaxed Ernie into calling a batter. Ernie protested a bit and Mario insisted. Well, Ernie gamely complied, but oh my lord, he was so out of practice, he sounded so halting and uncertain and just old. And in that moment I wanted to drive to Detroit just so I could go punch Mario in the face for putting Ernie in that position in the first place, and for making that the last memory I’ll have of Ernie. My wife and I went up to Greenfield Village years ago. There was an old time baseball tournament going on. Harwell happened to be there to “broadcast” a game for those in attendance. He didn’t really do play by play in as much as he and the analyst had a conversation about the goings on and the rules of the game as it was going on. Things like the batter choosing for the pitcher whether he wanted the ball higher or lower (the umpire would declare “striker, state your preference), fly balls caught on one bounce was still an out, the home team turned their backs to the local train as it went by as they were not in favor of such mechanical beasts, etc. It was really cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Hypothetically, if the Tigers are willing to give Skubal a favorable offer, but he and Boras elect to wait until free agency, regardless of how rich the offer is, what would you do if you were Harris? I have a hard time imagining what someone smart would do. But we are all about speculating so it’s a fair question. I think the first question is actually less about Skubal specifically than it is about the vision of what kind of franchise this is and if you are you willing to make exceptions. Do we run with the big dogs or not? If we are willing to run with the big dogs, what limits are there? Skubal could be a special case — a once in several generations cornerstone player that is the face of the franchise — and if you decide that he’s important enough, you can do everything possible to keep him. Harris has led us to believe that things like this are conceivable. He doesn’t rule it out. I think they will try really hard to keep him, and if he really likes being here and likes the chemistry and camaraderie of the team and the promise of its trajectory, he might stay. But he’s going to have to be treated with respect in regard to all the other offers he sees. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect a family discount from him. Maybe some of these intangibles will be meaningful to him, but I don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Hypothetically, if the Tigers are willing to give Skubal a favorable offer, but he and Boras elect to wait until free agency, regardless of how rich the offer is, what would you do if you were Harris? Don’t know. I heard a theory that Boras might be more diff to deal with this offseason as he might be trying to make up for last offseason. I don’t know if that makes sense or not. Regardless, I wouldn’t think he has an extension for Skubal high up on his priority list this winter. Hopefully there’s a heck of a bond between Skubal and Hinch/Fetter/Nieves/Lund that Skubal wants to extend and he tells Boras he’s ready to sign it, but that’s probably just too optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Hypothetically, if the Tigers are willing to give Skubal a favorable offer, but he and Boras elect to wait until free agency, regardless of how rich the offer is, what would you do if you were Harris? IMO, this is something they can't put off and they can't let Boras jerk them around on. You try to make a deal now, this off-season, don't even think about waiting for next year. If Boras won't talk now or talks to kill time but won't deal, you move him while he is controlled for two seasons and you can still get good value back for him.. The worst thing you do is let magic thinking distort your understanding that as long as Boras is his agent, if he won't deal now the odds are overwhelming he's going to FA. It would be a terrible loss, but the CBA has already baked the cake, all you can do in minimize the long term damage. Edited November 4 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICroupier Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 20 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: He is a strong bounce back candidate especially with Fetter. I proposed trading Maeda for him to bring the cost down to 12.5 and since the Diamondbacks owner publicly criticized him they might agree to take Maeda. Tenacious D suggesting getting a competitive balance pick as well. That's what I don't get, though. How is he a strong bounce back candidate? He's legit only had 2 good seasons in 10 across his whole career. And he's getting up there in age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 26 minutes ago, ICroupier said: That's what I don't get, though. How is he a strong bounce back candidate? He's legit only had 2 good seasons in 10 across his whole career. And he's getting up there in age. One could reason that his best 3 years were his 3 previous to last year and not signing until he did affected last year. I don’t think he’s worth anywhere close to $25 mil, but getting rid of Maeda’s 12.5 mil and getting a comp pick would be worth it to me as he’s a better bounce back candidate than Amara as a starter imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 11 hours ago, casimir said: My wife and I went up to Greenfield Village years ago. There was an old time baseball tournament going on. Harwell happened to be there to “broadcast” a game for those in attendance. While reminiscing about the past, today marks 14 years since Sparky passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 13 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Hypothetically, if the Tigers are willing to give Skubal a favorable offer, but he and Boras elect to wait until free agency, regardless of how rich the offer is, what would you do if you were Harris? If he insisted on free agency? Probably trade him at the 2026 deadline. Get something for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICroupier Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 2 hours ago, 4hzglory said: One could reason that his best 3 years were his 3 previous to last year and not signing until he did affected last year. I don’t think he’s worth anywhere close to $25 mil, but getting rid of Maeda’s 12.5 mil and getting a comp pick would be worth it to me as he’s a better bounce back candidate than Amara as a starter imo In those 3 best seasons, he went a combined 25-24 despite playing for 3 top teams. I get trying to move Maeda for someone else's failed FA. Just not someone who is twice as expensive, over 30, and with middling results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 How about we consider something beyond W/L? Like FIP, or ERA+. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 4 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: How about we consider something beyond W/L? Like FIP, or ERA+. How about TWTW? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 4 hours ago, 4hzglory said: One could reason that his best 3 years were his 3 previous to last year and not signing until he did affected last year. I don’t think he’s worth anywhere close to $25 mil, but getting rid of Maeda’s 12.5 mil and getting a comp pick would be worth it to me as he’s a better bounce back candidate than Amara as a starter imo Agree his recent track record is very good and it's a low cost investment which also could be flipped at the deadline if our young pitchers step up. I would consider expanding the deal to bring Enrique Surez in to play 3B as well. Maybe Manning will get it done ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Trading for Montgomery and Suarez from Arizona (Made& Manning) and signing Randall Grichuk and say Pivetta (SP) + a solid reliever are realistic gets allowing us to keep our youngsters for more visibility on their potential. Not sexy but realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Just now, SoCalTiger said: Trading for Montgomery and Suarez from Arizona (Made& Manning) and signing Randall Grichuk and say Pivetta (SP) + a solid reliever are realistic gets allowing us to keep our youngsters for more visibility on their potential. Not sexy but realistic. No way do I want Suarez in the deal. I’d much rather go with Jung than have him at his $ and hitting profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 I would venture there is a 10% chance that Jung outperforms Suarez in 2025; a one-year deal for a much better defender and an opposite hand bat is exactly the right type of move Harris should be making; a short term upgrade that does not block anyone long term; can play full time or part time; can move on from him if needed, but his presence does not force them to play someone who is not performing; the money is irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 7 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: I would venture there is a 10% chance that Jung outperforms Suarez in 2025; a one-year deal for a much better defender and an opposite hand bat is exactly the right type of move Harris should be making; a short term upgrade that does not block anyone long term; can play full time or part time; can move on from him if needed, but his presence does not force them to play someone who is not performing; the money is irrelevant Yeah, no way was definitely extreme. For some reason I thought he had a $20-25 mil salary. He still k’s way to much and I don’t know that I’d consider him a “much better” defender. But at $15 mil it’s definitely better than $20-25. Still prefer other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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