casimir Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 16 minutes ago, chasfh said: You’re right on all this, although I’m not talking about just the Tampa thing, which in isolation wouldn’t look so bad. In combination with the Oakland debacle, I think it has a multiplicative effect on how second-rate it makes MLB look. And you’re right, no drainage in a park specifically built for MLB is inexplicable. Or maybe not so much, I don’t know. I kind of compartmentalize the Tampa roof issue from the prolonged stadium issues as a one off fluke. Now, if this were instead a situation where part of the Oakland park had collapsed due to its known piping issues creating a sinkhole and the Athletics hadn't yet relocated, then I think MLB would deserve much scorn. Or if we get or flux capacitors out and get to March 2#, 2025 and there's no plan in place for Rays' home games, again, ridicule away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 22 minutes ago, chasfh said: You’re right on all this By the way, are you new here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 NPB's Chiba Lotte Marines To Post Roki Sasaki For MLB Clubs - MLB Trade Rumors The rich (Dodgers) get richer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 5 hours ago, chasfh said: And you’re right, no drainage in a park specifically built for MLB is inexplicable. Or maybe not so much, I don’t know. You can certainly engineer a structure with various levels of fault tolerance, but I think it would have been unusual for them to have designed interior drainage into a covered stadium. There are good questions out there for the failure analysis though: Did the roof fail at less than the design performance? If not, is FLA going to institute higher wind tolerance stds? If it did, what did they get wrong in the materials or construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 5 hours ago, casimir said: By the way, are you new here? Nah, I'm just faking sociability. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 5 hours ago, Tigermojo said: NPB's Chiba Lotte Marines To Post Roki Sasaki For MLB Clubs - MLB Trade Rumors The rich (Dodgers) get richer? Maybe, although not necessarily. Could also be the Giants, Padres, or Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 5 hours ago, casimir said: I kind of compartmentalize the Tampa roof issue from the prolonged stadium issues as a one off fluke. Now, if this were instead a situation where part of the Oakland park had collapsed due to its known piping issues creating a sinkhole and the Athletics hadn't yet relocated, then I think MLB would deserve much scorn. Or if we get or flux capacitors out and get to March 2#, 2025 and there's no plan in place for Rays' home games, again, ridicule away. I think of it as something that they get hammered for, even unfairly, because it comes on the heels of the Oakland debacle. Perhaps you've seen this kind of thing before in your own life: you did something you got hammered for that you fairly admitted was your fault, and you accepted that. But when it was quickly followed up by a mishap that wasn't your fault, you still got unfairly hammered for that, and you're like, heyyyy, that's not fair, that one wasn't my fault! But you got hammered anyway. Lots of guys go through that with their wives or girlfriends. That's how I see the Tampa situation. Maybe it wasn't Baseball's fault because they can't control the weather, or at least all their fault because their franchise could control the facility's response to the weather. But they're getting a little hammered for it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: You can certainly engineer a structure with various levels of fault tolerance, but I think it would have been unusual for them to have designed interior drainage into a covered stadium. There are good questions out there for the failure analysis though: Did the roof fail at less than the design performance? If not, is FLA going to institute higher wind tolerance stds? If it did, what did they get wrong in the materials or construction? According to an article I read, the roof membrane was a few years past its ability to handle over 130 mph winds. (I think it was still good for 110-115. But since there was no danger of it collapsing on fans, and they knew the Rays weren’t staying there, the city of St Petersburg understandably didn’t want to put the money into replacing it when the odds were minimal of what happened happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, 4hzglory said: According to an article I read, the roof membrane was a few years past its ability to handle over 130 mph winds. (I think it was still good for 110-115. But since there was no danger of it collapsing on fans, and they knew the Rays weren’t staying there, the city of St Petersburg understandably didn’t want to put the money into replacing it when the odds were minimal of what happened happening. A perfectly rational decision - until it turns out to be wrong. But thereby maybe also hangs a tale. If the roofing had a known limited lifetime then replacement was envisioned, and if replacement was envisioned for a ball park that meant there was a way to get it done in an off-season. So what's stopping them now? Obviously it's still throwing good money after bad, but TBF, even if they were willing lead time probably makes it impossible. If the panels were going to be replaced they probably needed ordered in months ago. Edited November 10 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted Tuesday at 12:14 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:14 AM SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) — Tampa Bay Rays shortstop Wander Franco, who awaits trial in a sexual abuse case, was arrested for his involvement in an armed altercation in the Dominican Republic countryside, police said Monday. Meregirdo Espinosa, a Dominican police spokesman, told The Associated Press the altercation happened in a parking lot in San Juan de la Maguana, a city that is located 116 miles (187 kilometers) west of Santo Domingo. Franco was arrested Sunday. Another man and a woman were also detained, and two firearms were seized, police said. Espinosa said one of the guns presumably belonged to Franco, who was allegedly fighting with the other man over the woman's attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted Tuesday at 12:21 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:21 AM 6 minutes ago, 1776 said: SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) — Tampa Bay Rays shortstop Wander Franco, who awaits trial in a sexual abuse case, was arrested for his involvement in an armed altercation in the Dominican Republic countryside, police said Monday. Meregirdo Espinosa, a Dominican police spokesman, told The Associated Press the altercation happened in a parking lot in San Juan de la Maguana, a city that is located 116 miles (187 kilometers) west of Santo Domingo. Franco was arrested Sunday. Another man and a woman were also detained, and two firearms were seized, police said. Espinosa said one of the guns presumably belonged to Franco, who was allegedly fighting with the other man over the woman's attention. Rough offseason for the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 03:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:35 PM I bet the Rays are kicking themselves for not trading Wander Franco to Al Avila's Tigers in exchange for Jackson Jobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 05:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:31 PM 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I bet the Rays are kicking themselves for not trading Wander Franco to Al Avila's Tigers in exchange for Jackson Jobe. You don't think A.J. Please-Don't-Bang-Those-Can-Lids-OK-Nevermind Hinch would have whipped that young man's rear into line and saved his career? Just kidding. Don't know much about Kevin Cash but I wonder if it could have made a difference if he had come up playing for an old mad dog like Jim Leyland. But Wander have have already been a golden child too long before he ever got to the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: You don't think A.J. Please-Don't-Bang-Those-Can-Lids-OK-Nevermind Hinch would have whipped that young man's rear into line and saved his career? Just kidding. Don't know much about Kevin Cash but I wonder if it could have made a difference if he had come up playing for an old mad dog like Jim Leyland. But Wander have have already been a golden child too long before he ever got to the majors. A manager can prevent a ball player from committing sex with an underage girl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM 41 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: A manager can prevent a ball player from committing sex with an underage girl? You never know what a mentor/mentee protegor/protege relationship might produce in terms of cleaning up a guy's life. People can always make a difference. People have to taught/motivated what not to do and it's mostly other people that do that work. But granted Wander was probably too far down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: You don't think A.J. Please-Don't-Bang-Those-Can-Lids-OK-Nevermind Hinch would have whipped that young man's rear into line and saved his career? This is not at all the idea my post was contemplating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 09:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:57 PM 4 hours ago, Tenacious D said: A manager can prevent a ball player from committing sex with an underage girl? Or the public drawing of guns in a dispute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted Wednesday at 02:32 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:32 AM Tropicana Field will not be ready for play until at least the start of the 2026 season, according to a three-week damage assessment report provided to the St. Petersburg City Council and reviewed by The Athletic on Tuesday. The 412-page report, published by Hennessy Construction Services, estimates that the total cost of repairs will be $55.72 million following significant damage to the facility due to Hurricane Milton on Oct. 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Wednesday at 02:50 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:50 AM 4 hours ago, chasfh said: This is not at all the idea my post was contemplating. understood, but I was just spinning on the very very unlikely possibility it could have worked out for Tigers because our org was so special it would turn a guy into a model citizen - IOW a little Lion pixie dust overshoots Ford field and hist Comerica.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted Wednesday at 05:31 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:31 AM 2 hours ago, 1776 said: Tropicana Field will not be ready for play until at least the start of the 2026 season, according to a three-week damage assessment report provided to the St. Petersburg City Council and reviewed by The Athletic on Tuesday. The 412-page report, published by Hennessy Construction Services, estimates that the total cost of repairs will be $55.72 million following significant damage to the facility due to Hurricane Milton on Oct. 10. I think I read where the Rays lowered the insurance coverage and have a 50 million deductible to save premium payments and so they only save a whopping 5 million 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted Wednesday at 05:32 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:32 AM 11 hours ago, Tenacious D said: A manager can prevent a ball player from committing sex with an underage girl? NO. OJ proved hormones rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted Wednesday at 12:08 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:08 PM Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just rip up the used mini golf carpeting they call a field and replace it with dirt and grass and have an “outdoor stadium”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted Wednesday at 01:09 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:09 PM 7 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: I think I read where the Rays lowered the insurance coverage and have a 50 million deductible to save premium payments and so they only save a whopping 5 million 😀 Indeed. I read that as well. I think they did that only a year ago. Perfect timing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted Wednesday at 01:25 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:25 PM I mean... the joke is writes itself right?? I'm not the only one right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted Wednesday at 01:25 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:25 PM This is a really good piece on the challenges the Rays new ballpark faces going forward. https://www.draysbay.com/2024/11/11/24293445/the-rays-new-stadium-plan-might-lose-its-funding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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