2024 MLB Thread

[1776]

Just now, RedRamage said:

 

I mean... the joke is writes itself right?? I'm not the only one right?

I have always found the Yankees to be offensive 😉

[Motor City Sonics]

7 minutes ago, 1776 said:

This is a really good piece on the challenges the Rays new ballpark faces going forward. 
 

https://www.draysbay.com/2024/11/11/24293445/the-rays-new-stadium-plan-might-lose-its-funding

Yeah, they're done in Tampa.    They're moving to Nashville.  

[Motor City Sonics]

And honestly, why should the taxpayers foot the bill.     I see how it works in some places with a deep passion for a team, or a historic team, where loads of businesses depend on that team.    Tampa has none of that.   Lukewarm fanbase that is just as likely to be rooting for the road team,  no real roots,  they jettison their anchor star players the second they deserve raises and there is no real financial district around that awful stadium.        Nashville would flip out over a Major League Team.   The rumored stadium site right next to the football stadium.  Lots of things just walking distance or a quick shuttle away.      The Rays are a bit of an afterthought in Tampa.     

[1776]

1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

And honestly, why should the taxpayers foot the bill.     I see how it works in some places with a deep passion for a team, or a historic team, where loads of businesses depend on that team.    Tampa has none of that.   Lukewarm fanbase that is just as likely to be rooting for the road team,  no real roots,  they jettison their anchor star players the second they deserve raises and there is no real financial district around that awful stadium.        Nashville would flip out over a Major League Team.   The rumored stadium site right next to the football stadium.  Lots of things just walking distance or a quick shuttle away.      The Rays are a bit of an afterthought in Tampa.     

I agree with all your points. I honestly, as of right now, would put the Rays at a 50/50 chance of leaving Florida permanently before 2028. The November 21 vote will go a long way in revealing the local sentiment.

To me, this is the most interesting MLB story this offseason to this point.

[Motor City Sonics]

44 minutes ago, 1776 said:

I agree with all your points. I honestly, as of right now, would put the Rays at a 50/50 chance of leaving Florida permanently before 2028. The November 21 vote will go a long way in revealing the local sentiment.

To me, this is the most interesting MLB story this offseason to this point.

The team is competitive year after year and they average 16K   And a lot of that attendance is there to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Guardians and Orioles.     They just aren't all that into it.       Might help if the stadium wasn't a concrete bunker with no personality and hard to get to.    

And to think,  Tom Monaghan looked into moving the Tigers there. 

[gehringer_2]

58 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The team is competitive year after year and they average 16K   And a lot of that attendance is there to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Guardians and Orioles.     They just aren't all that into it.       Might help if the stadium wasn't a concrete bunker with no personality and hard to get to.    

And to think,  Tom Monaghan looked into moving the Tigers there. 

yeah - this is the paradox. The league looks at the FLA market 'potential' and tells itself it can't miss out on Florida, but so far they haven't found that market to be as interested in them as they are in it. Tampa and Miami have consistently lagged the rest of the league in attendance and last season were 2nd and 3rd worst after only the Oakland team that has already told its fans to bag it.

[4hzglory]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

Indeed. I read that as well. I think they did that only a year ago. Perfect timing!

It isn't quite that extreme, but they have a $25 mil deductible and max coverage of $50 mil now - they just lowered it in March to save a few hundred thousand per year.

[4hzglory]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The team is competitive year after year and they average 16K   And a lot of that attendance is there to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Guardians and Orioles.     They just aren't all that into it.       Might help if the stadium wasn't a concrete bunker with no personality and hard to get to.    

And to think,  Tom Monaghan looked into moving the Tigers there. 

They may not get the attendance, but they have some of the highest TV ratings IIRC.  

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

I have always found the Yankees to be offensive 😉

That didn't fly over your head! 😉😝

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, 1776 said:

I agree with all your points. I honestly, as of right now, would put the Rays at a 50/50 chance of leaving Florida permanently before 2028. The November 21 vote will go a long way in revealing the local sentiment.

To me, this is the most interesting MLB story this offseason to this point.

That's fine, as not only would this or a new owner benefits with billions from the move, but it would re-open up the #11 market in the country as the prime foil in the Build-Me-A-New-Stadium-Or-I'm-Moving-The-Team gambit.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The team is competitive year after year and they average 16K   And a lot of that attendance is there to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Guardians and Orioles.     They just aren't all that into it.       Might help if the stadium wasn't a concrete bunker with no personality and hard to get to.    

And to think,  Tom Monaghan looked into moving the Tigers there. 

I only vaguely remember this, but had Monaghan successfully moved the team out of town, I'm not so sure Detroit would have gotten a replacement team anytime soon after, despite the market size. We might still be without a team today had that happened. After all, there's another top ten market, bigger than Detroit, that went without a team for over three decades.

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The team is competitive year after year and they average 16K   And a lot of that attendance is there to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Guardians and Orioles.     They just aren't all that into it.       Might help if the stadium wasn't a concrete bunker with no personality and hard to get to.    

And to think,  Tom Monaghan looked into moving the Tigers there. 

As did whomever owned the White Sox pre Comiskey II. I'm assuming it was Reinsdorf. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

As did whomever owned the White Sox pre Comiskey II. I'm assuming it was Reinsdorf. 

Bill Veeck owned them before Reinsdorf. Veeck was owner 59-61 and 75-81. The Comisky's were pre-Veeck

Edited Wednesday at 06:06 PM by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

Bill Veeck owned them before Reinsdorf. Veeck was owner 59-61 and 75-81. The Comisky's were pre-Veeck

I looked it up. 1983 Reinsdorf threatened to move the team to St Petersburg if he didn’t get a new stadium. The Illinois legislature caved at the last minute.

Ive always called the current Sox Park Comiskey II

[theroundsquare]

they could've been the wet sox.  afterward the giants threatened to leave SF to go there.  i think that was more like '89

[Tenacious D]

6 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

I looked it up. 1983 Reinsdorf threatened to move the team to St Petersburg if he didn’t get a new stadium. The Illinois legislature caved at the last minute.

Ive always called the current Sox Park Comiskey II

Ironically, I was involved in the naming rights when it became US Cellular Field

[1776]

The Tampa Bay Rays, for the first time in their history, will actually play their home games in Tampa. The team’s home slate will take place at George M. Steinbrenner Field, the spring training home of the New York Yankees.

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The Tampa Bay Rays, for the first time in their history, will actually play their home games in Tampa. The team’s home slate will take place at George M. Steinbrenner Field, the spring training home of the New York Yankees.

Sometimes the obvious just turns out to be .....obvious.

[CMRivdogs]

43 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The Tampa Bay Rays, for the first time in their history, will actually play their home games in Tampa. The team’s home slate will take place at George M. Steinbrenner Field, the spring training home of the New York Yankees.

I'm curious whether the Yankees' single A team will share the stadium. Possible a morning schedule of home games when the schedule with the Rays collide. 

[casimir]

39 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Sometimes the obvious just turns out to be .....obvious.

Obviously.

[casimir]

9 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm curious whether the Yankees' single A team will share the stadium. Possible a morning schedule of home games when the schedule with the Rays collide. 

Its the FSL.  Do they play the weeklong at one park schedule?  They could probably get by with moving to another nearby FSL park or split up the series between Tampa and the other team as needed.

[gehringer_2]

20 minutes ago, casimir said:

Its the FSL.  Do they play the weeklong at one park schedule?  They could probably get by with moving to another nearby FSL park or split up the series between Tampa and the other team as needed.

UCF also has a field not too far away I'm sure they'd be glad to rent out.

Edited Thursday at 08:49 PM by gehringer_2

[casimir]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

UCF also has a field not too far away I'm sure they'd be glad to rent out.

Yes, I’m sure there are multiple avenues for the Tampa Tarpons to get their home games in.

[1776]

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm curious whether the Yankees' single A team will share the stadium. Possible a morning schedule of home games when the schedule with the Rays collide. 

The plan for the Tampa Tarpons has not been determine as yet regarding their game locations. 

[KL2]

5 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

I'm curious whether the Yankees' single A team will share the stadium. Possible a morning schedule of home games when the schedule with the Rays collide. 

Back fields. 

It's single a. Nobody cares. At most minor league teams pull in $10 million in revenue. That's like a bad ml reliever now. Mlb will just make the Rays pay for miss gate