2024 DETROIT TIGERS REGULAR SEASON THREAD

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/for-colt-keith-confidence-is-the-key-to-future-success/

I did not see this before I posted.  You beat me to it.  

[LongLiveMaroth]

18 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I did not see this before I posted.  You beat me to it.  

You tee'd it up better than I did 😅

[oblong]

I stumbled across a "boomer" focused Detroit sports page and.... man are they not fans of Jason Benetti.

Which means he's doing a great job.

 

[Tiger337]

I get some of the criticism of his forced humor, but Benetti is still the best TV broadcaster the Tigers have had in a really long time.  

[Hongbit]

 

[oblong]

[Tenacious D]

7 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

 

Ok, Wally Pipp—here’s your chance.

[Hongbit]

Lumbar spine inflammation that requires a trip to a specialist in Florida seems like it could be more of a 10 day IL trip.   

[casimir]

33 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

 

Shouldn't that be lumber bat strain?

[Tiger337]

40 years ago today on Monday Night Baseball:

 

[theroundsquare]

and after all that work baez was doing to strengthen his core

[RatkoVarda]

good thing they had Keidler in CF last week for Toledo

[casimir]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

40 years ago today on Monday Night Baseball:

 

I had forgotten how Exhibition Stadium was uncovered in the foul territory seats.

[Toddwert]

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-detroit-tigers-listen-offers-184822378.html

Report: Detroit Tigers would listen to offers on top trade chip Jack Flaherty

[casimir]

9 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-detroit-tigers-listen-offers-184822378.html

Report: Detroit Tigers would listen to offers on top trade chip Jack Flaherty

They should listen to all reasonable offers on all players.

[Toddwert]

4 minutes ago, casimir said:

They should listen to all reasonable offers on all players.

of course but the really question is does Harris believe this team is good enough to go all in for the wildcat or is still looking to trade assets for prospects.. I kind of think he still in trade mode just from the comments about still needing a foundation.

[1776]

Even though it is most likely that Flaherty will be traded, the source of this trade speculation as posted above is Jim Bowden of the Athletic. He’s a clickbait artist.
 

Edited June 12, 2024 by 1776

[Shinzaki]

Of course they'll listen to offers...it's not like Harris is going to plug his ears and yell "la la la" to avoid it.

There are times Benetti starts to get a little heavy on "look at me...I'm Bob Costas " style of humor...but on balance, he does well.

[casimir]

2 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

of course but the really question is does Harris believe this team is good enough to go all in for the wildcat or is still looking to trade assets for prospects.. I kind of think he still in trade mode just from the comments about still needing a foundation.

Well, they're only 2.5 games out, but that neighborhood is kind of crowded.  The pitching staff strength is sort of crumbling outside of Skubal, Flaherty, Olson.  The relief crew isn't what it was earlier.  The lineup simply has too many holes.  So, how close is 2.5 games out?

[Toddwert]

7 minutes ago, casimir said:

Well, they're only 2.5 games out, but that neighborhood is kind of crowded.  The pitching staff strength is sort of crumbling outside of Skubal, Flaherty, Olson.  The relief crew isn't what it was earlier.  The lineup simply has too many holes.  So, how close is 2.5 games out?

problem with the wildcat your fighting with 6 other teams for 1 spot it just takes one of them getting hot and the Tigers playoff odds acording fangraph is 15.4%

Edited June 12, 2024 by Toddwert

[Tiger337]

Just for the fun of it, these are the hitters with batting profiles most similar to Kerry Carpenter.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/affinity-pitchersAndHitters-byHittingProfile#players=hitters&player=681481-L&s=0.7

 

 

[SoCalTiger]

25 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Just for the fun of it, these are the hitters with batting profiles most similar to Kerry Carpenter.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/affinity-pitchersAndHitters-byHittingProfile#players=hitters&player=681481-L&s=0.7

 

 

So the best players we drafted, Carpenter and Skubal, did not require tanking. Great. 

[KL2]

1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said:

So the best players we drafted, Carpenter and Skubal, did not require tanking. Great. 

Rebuilding is not a dirty word. And Carpenter and Skubal are luck nothing more or nothing less. To say there is no value in drafting high because you got lucky is foolhardy. Studies have shown time and time and time again far more Hall of Fame level players are drafted high than found randomly in some late round, no matter the sport. 

and the average war of guys to make the majors out of round 1, is nearly 7. For every other round its not even half that. 

Of course there are plenty of exceptions such as Carpenter and Skubal. But, to dismiss being bad and say being average still means you can build a championship level club though the draft is not backed up by stats or reasonable strategy. 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by KL2

[kdog]

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19. Detroit Tigers

Win average: 79.5 (Last: 79.6, 20th)
In the playoffs: 11.8% (Last: 17.5%)
Champions: 0.2% (Last 0.3%)

What they need to do before the deadline: It's hard to say what might or should happen with a Tigers team that just doesn't feel that far away. Detroit could go on a run and add, because the last wild-card slot is within reach. At the same time, in Jack Flaherty, Mark Canha and several relievers, Detroit has a number of obvious trade candidates who could deepen the Tigers' growing talent pool for 2025 and beyond. The problem is that for every good development, there has been an equally bad one. Riley Greene has developed; Spencer Torkelson has not. Flaherty was a free-agent bonanza; Javier Baez has been a catastrophe. The next few weeks will hopefully bring much of this into focus before hard deadline decisions have to be made.

From ESPN, this about sums it up.

[Tiger337]

9 hours ago, KL2 said:

Rebuilding is not a dirty word. And Carpenter and Skubal are luck nothing more or nothing less. To say there is no value in drafting high because you got lucky is foolhardy. Studies have shown time and time and time again far more Hall of Fame level players are drafted high than found randomly in some late round, no matter the sport. 

and the average war of guys to make the majors out of round 1, is nearly 7. For every other round its not even half that. 

Of course there are plenty of exceptions such as Carpenter and Skubal. But, to dismiss being bad and say being average still means you can build a championship level club though the draft is not backed up by stats or reasonable strategy. 

 

Everybody knows that top draft picks have a better chance to succeed.  A lot of them don't succeed though.  Average WAR is not really the best thing to look at because there are probably a few superstars bringing up the average.  If you get one of those guys then great, but chances are you'll get Torkelson or Mize.  I'd like to see this chart by median or maybe percent who reached a certain threshold.