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2024 DETROIT TIGERS REGULAR SEASON THREAD


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4 minutes ago, casimir said:

They should listen to all reasonable offers on all players.

of course but the really question is does Harris believe this team is good enough to go all in for the wildcat or is still looking to trade assets for prospects.. I kind of think he still in trade mode just from the comments about still needing a foundation.

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Even though it is most likely that Flaherty will be traded, the source of this trade speculation as posted above is Jim Bowden of the Athletic. He’s a clickbait artist.
 

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Of course they'll listen to offers...it's not like Harris is going to plug his ears and yell "la la la" to avoid it.

There are times Benetti starts to get a little heavy on "look at me...I'm Bob Costas " style of humor...but on balance, he does well.

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2 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

of course but the really question is does Harris believe this team is good enough to go all in for the wildcat or is still looking to trade assets for prospects.. I kind of think he still in trade mode just from the comments about still needing a foundation.

Well, they're only 2.5 games out, but that neighborhood is kind of crowded.  The pitching staff strength is sort of crumbling outside of Skubal, Flaherty, Olson.  The relief crew isn't what it was earlier.  The lineup simply has too many holes.  So, how close is 2.5 games out?

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7 minutes ago, casimir said:

Well, they're only 2.5 games out, but that neighborhood is kind of crowded.  The pitching staff strength is sort of crumbling outside of Skubal, Flaherty, Olson.  The relief crew isn't what it was earlier.  The lineup simply has too many holes.  So, how close is 2.5 games out?

problem with the wildcat your fighting with 6 other teams for 1 spot it just takes one of them getting hot and the Tigers playoff odds acording fangraph is 15.4%

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1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said:

So the best players we drafted, Carpenter and Skubal, did not require tanking. Great. 

Rebuilding is not a dirty word. And Carpenter and Skubal are luck nothing more or nothing less. To say there is no value in drafting high because you got lucky is foolhardy. Studies have shown time and time and time again far more Hall of Fame level players are drafted high than found randomly in some late round, no matter the sport. 

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and the average war of guys to make the majors out of round 1, is nearly 7. For every other round its not even half that. 

Of course there are plenty of exceptions such as Carpenter and Skubal. But, to dismiss being bad and say being average still means you can build a championship level club though the draft is not backed up by stats or reasonable strategy. 

 

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19. Detroit Tigers

Win average: 79.5 (Last: 79.6, 20th)
In the playoffs: 11.8% (Last: 17.5%)
Champions: 0.2% (Last 0.3%)

What they need to do before the deadline: It's hard to say what might or should happen with a Tigers team that just doesn't feel that far away. Detroit could go on a run and add, because the last wild-card slot is within reach. At the same time, in Jack Flaherty, Mark Canha and several relievers, Detroit has a number of obvious trade candidates who could deepen the Tigers' growing talent pool for 2025 and beyond. The problem is that for every good development, there has been an equally bad one. Riley Greene has developed; Spencer Torkelson has not. Flaherty was a free-agent bonanza; Javier Baez has been a catastrophe. The next few weeks will hopefully bring much of this into focus before hard deadline decisions have to be made.

From ESPN, this about sums it up.

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9 hours ago, KL2 said:

Rebuilding is not a dirty word. And Carpenter and Skubal are luck nothing more or nothing less. To say there is no value in drafting high because you got lucky is foolhardy. Studies have shown time and time and time again far more Hall of Fame level players are drafted high than found randomly in some late round, no matter the sport. 

image.thumb.png.53627302d4bd6d26a01867a5e4b3a1ad.png

and the average war of guys to make the majors out of round 1, is nearly 7. For every other round its not even half that. 

Of course there are plenty of exceptions such as Carpenter and Skubal. But, to dismiss being bad and say being average still means you can build a championship level club though the draft is not backed up by stats or reasonable strategy. 

 

Everybody knows that top draft picks have a better chance to succeed.  A lot of them don't succeed though.  Average WAR is not really the best thing to look at because there are probably a few superstars bringing up the average.  If you get one of those guys then great, but chances are you'll get Torkelson or Mize.  I'd like to see this chart by median or maybe percent who reached a certain threshold.  

 

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