2024 DETROIT TIGERS REGULAR SEASON THREAD

[Dan Gilmore]

It’s both.

[casimir]

3 hours ago, buddha said:

you're doing that thing again where you overrate all the tigers prospects.

put some alcohol in those dr peppers.  🙂

You’ll be so sorry you ever doubted Al Avila when Daz Cameron makes the all star game.

[casimir]

Wow.  Looks like Trayce Thompson is available.

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[chasfh]

I like the idea of the conditional formatting, but I prefer the original Statcast colors of redder is better and blue is bad.

 

Edited July 6 by chasfh

[casimir]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I like the idea of the conditional formatting, but I prefer the original Statcast colors of redder is better and blue is bad.

 

Maeda's line is almost as blue as those trave$hamockery $ity connect$.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, casimir said:

Maeda's line is almost as blue as those trave$hamockery $ity connect$.

This is only a snapshot, too. The only attributes Maeda's showing red in is inducing pop-ups, limiting hard contact, and preventing swings on pitches within the zone, and it's not as if any of those are bright crimson.

Although he does come in among the top 15 of all pitchers for run prevention on his changeup, so ... there's that, I guess? Too bad he throws it only 2% of the time, which might be why it's so effective on a SSS basis—no one is looking for it!

 

[Hongbit]

This was pretty shocking.  .   

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

This was pretty shocking.  .   

but check the 1st column. Yankees have loaded the bases more than twice as many times as the Tigers. You can live with more misses when you have that kind of traffic.

[SeattleMike]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

but check the 1st column. Yankees have loaded the bases more than twice as many times as the Tigers. You can live with more misses when you have that kind of traffic.

Exactly. The real take away is that the Tigers have had fewer of these opportunities than every other MLB team than the Reds, who they are tied with. 

[casimir]

7 hours ago, Hongbit said:

This was pretty shocking.  .   

Well, it’s on the internet now, so it must be true.

[Tenacious D]

Probably the best account on Twitter for those who Tweet

 

[Shelton]

On 6/11/2024 at 11:55 AM, Tiger337 said:

Only the important stuff.  

That’s right. 

[Tenacious D]

 

[chasfh]

Who saw Maeda coming

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

 

LOL - 8M is really nothing in terms of dead money. Of course next season that's likely to jump to ....$39M.

[chasfh]

The ghost of Al Avila will haunt us for a few more years. Then he can’t hurt us anymore.

[kdog]

Corbin Burnes is starting the AS game.

[Tenacious D]

11 minutes ago, kdog said:

Corbin Burnes is starting the AS game.

Hope gets lit up.  Should have been Tarik.

[Tenacious D]

Some AllStar break fodder for your immediate dismissal/disdain:
 

Foundational Building Blocks

·       SP Tarik Skubal – current and future ace.  Should only be moved for a total haul.

·       SP Reese Olson – solid #3/4 starter.  Has looked good over 200 career MLB innings.

·       OF Riley Greene – Only 23, should continue to improve, but he’s very good as is.

·       IF Colt Keith – hitting over .300 with power since May 1.  Should continue to improve.  Might end up at 3B, eventually.

Promising, but still have something to prove:

·       OF Kerry Carpenter – bat looks good when he’s been healthy.  Defense improved, as well.  Just needs more AB’s to prove he’s the real deal.

·       SP Casey Mize – Has shown some flashes in first season since TJ.  Probably not an ace, but valuable as a #3/4 and is controlled for a few more seasons.

·       OF Wenceel Perez – versatile and can hit some.  Might be a good version of Willi Castro.

·       OF/3B Matt Vierling – on pace for a 20 HR season.  Valuable on this team with the number of LH bats.  Also nice to be able to plug into CF and 3B.  

·       UT Andy Ibanez – one of the best platoon utility guys—crushes LH pitching and can fill in at 2B and 3B (helpful with LH Keith and Jung at those positions).

·       C Jake Rogers – He is what he is, but in the world of below average catchers, you can live with his arm, D, occasional pop and .215 batting average.

·       RP Tyler Holton – not as dominant as last season, but still very effective.  Should be part of our pen for many years.

·       RP Beau Brieske – he should continue to get better as a reliever.  

·       RP Jason Foley – not sure he’s a closer, but probably valuable in a set-up role.  

·       RP Will Vest – same as Foley, though more of a roller coaster.

·       RP Alex Faedo – would like to see what he could do for an extended period without an injury.  Valuable in a swing role.

·       OF Justyn-Henry Malloy – looks like he is starting to figure things out offensively.  Will need to hit a ton, though, to find a regular spot in the lineup. Promising start.

Prospects who should be able to contribute:

·       CF Max Clark – due for a promotion to High A.  Could be ready by late 2026 or spring 2027.  Should fill gaping hole at leadoff and provide the best outfield defense in the league, with Meadows and Greene.

·       SS/2B Kevin McGonigle – same as Clark—should be in West Michigan soon and on a similar time horizon (‘26/’27).  Key will be whether he can stay at SS, though perhaps less of a concern with Rainer.

·       SS Bryce Rainer – Lots of accolades for him – should provide power and solid defense.  Arm would also play at 3B, but he’s more valuable to us if he can stick at SS.  Will also be invaluable in blowouts when we have to have a position player pitch (can hit 95 MPH).

·       C Dillon Dingler – looks like a bit of a Jake Rogers clone, at least up until this season.  Bat really turned the corner in Toledo—he gets promoted if we trade one of Kelly/Rogers.

·       SP Jackson Jobe – could probably pitch in the bigs right now.  Biggest issue with him is getting his innings up so he can pitch 150 or so next season.

·       3B Jace Jung – looks pretty close to being ready.  Will be interesting to see if the Tigers do the same with him as Keith and Malloy, or if they promote him in the 2^nd half.  No one is blocking him in the bigs.

·       2B Ho-Yu Lee – looks like a great trade with the Phillies, and provides optimism for what a Flaherty trade might look like.   He’s only 21 and raking in Erie/AA.  Showing power and good base running ability. Should move up to Toledo this season.

Prospect Wild Cards (players who have either regressed, injured or had a bit of renaissance this season).

·       SP Tyler Madden 

·       SP Keider Montero

·       SP Wilmer Flores

·       SP Sawyer Gipson-Long

·       SP Troy Melton

·       SP Brant Hurter

·       SP Owen Hall

·       SP Ethan Schiefelbein

·       SP Paul Wilson

·       SP Jaden Hamm

·       SP Dylan Smith

·       SP Blake Dickerson

·       RP Tyler Mattison

·       C/1B Josue Briceno

·       SS Eddys Leonard

·       2B Max Anderson

·       SS Gage Workman

·       3B Carson Rucker

·       IF FRANYERBER!

·       OF Roberto Campos

·       OF Justice Bigbie

Taking up Space (might not make it through the season)

·       RP Joey Wentz – given too many opportunities.  Failed starter who is now acting like a failed reliever.

·       UT Zach McKinstry – versatile, but his bat doesn’t warrant playing as much as he does.  Only on roster because he can play a passable shortstop.

Impending Free Agents

·       RP Andrew Chafin – worth resigning to a one or two year deal

·       IF Gio Urshela – was a stopgap for Jung.  Should not be extended.

·       OF Mark Canha –  Would like an upgrade here.

·       SP Jack Flaherty – if not traded, should be given a qualifying offer.

·       C Carson Kelly – worth extending for up to two seasons (i.e. 2/$16M).  If his market is high, probably need to cut bait.

·       RP Shelby Miller – depending on how he finishes, would not likely resign, but upgrade through free agency or a failed starter at Toledo.

Damaged Goods (low likelihood of contributing)

·       SS Javier Baez (contract through 2/27)

·       SP Kenta Maeda (contract through 2/25)

·       1B Spencer Torkelson – would like to be optimistic but his demotion has only fueled more pessimism that he’ll figure things out.  

·       SS Ryan Kreidler – can’t seem to stay healthy or take advantage of opportunities when presented.

[Tenacious D]

 

 

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

 

 

So, are we still firing hitting coaches during the break?

[Shades of Deivi Cruz]

On 7/5/2024 at 12:05 PM, Dan Gilmore said:

It’s both.

<insert Miller Lite commercial GIF here>

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

So, are we still firing hitting coaches during the break?

Just the one that worked with Tork.

[Timmitch55]

5 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

 

Some AllStar break fodder for your immediate dismissal/disdain:
 

Foundational Building Blocks

·       SP Tarik Skubal – current and future ace.  Should only be moved for a total haul.

·       SP Reese Olson – solid #3/4 starter.  Has looked good over 200 career MLB innings.

·       OF Riley Greene – Only 23, should continue to improve, but he’s very good as is.

·       IF Colt Keith – hitting over .300 with power since May 1.  Should continue to improve.  Might end up at 3B, eventually.

Promising, but still have something to prove:

·       OF Kerry Carpenter – bat looks good when he’s been healthy.  Defense improved, as well.  Just needs more AB’s to prove he’s the real deal.

·       SP Casey Mize – Has shown some flashes in first season since TJ.  Probably not an ace, but valuable as a #3/4 and is controlled for a few more seasons.

·       OF Wenceel Perez – versatile and can hit some.  Might be a good version of Willi Castro.

·       OF/3B Matt Vierling – on pace for a 20 HR season.  Valuable on this team with the number of LH bats.  Also nice to be able to plug into CF and 3B.  

·       UT Andy Ibanez – one of the best platoon utility guys—crushes LH pitching and can fill in at 2B and 3B (helpful with LH Keith and Jung at those positions).

·       C Jake Rogers – He is what he is, but in the world of below average catchers, you can live with his arm, D, occasional pop and .215 batting average.

·       RP Tyler Holton – not as dominant as last season, but still very effective.  Should be part of our pen for many years.

·       RP Beau Brieske – he should continue to get better as a reliever.  

·       RP Jason Foley – not sure he’s a closer, but probably valuable in a set-up role.  

·       RP Will Vest – same as Foley, though more of a roller coaster.

·       RP Alex Faedo – would like to see what he could do for an extended period without an injury.  Valuable in a swing role.

·       OF Justyn-Henry Malloy – looks like he is starting to figure things out offensively.  Will need to hit a ton, though, to find a regular spot in the lineup. Promising start.

Prospects who should be able to contribute:

·       CF Max Clark – due for a promotion to High A.  Could be ready by late 2026 or spring 2027.  Should fill gaping hole at leadoff and provide the best outfield defense in the league, with Meadows and Greene.

·       SS/2B Kevin McGonigle – same as Clark—should be in West Michigan soon and on a similar time horizon (‘26/’27).  Key will be whether he can stay at SS, though perhaps less of a concern with Rainer.

·       SS Bryce Rainer – Lots of accolades for him – should provide power and solid defense.  Arm would also play at 3B, but he’s more valuable to us if he can stick at SS.  Will also be invaluable in blowouts when we have to have a position player pitch (can hit 95 MPH).

·       C Dillon Dingler – looks like a bit of a Jake Rogers clone, at least up until this season.  Bat really turned the corner in Toledo—he gets promoted if we trade one of Kelly/Rogers.

·       SP Jackson Jobe – could probably pitch in the bigs right now.  Biggest issue with him is getting his innings up so he can pitch 150 or so next season.

·       3B Jace Jung – looks pretty close to being ready.  Will be interesting to see if the Tigers do the same with him as Keith and Malloy, or if they promote him in the 2^nd half.  No one is blocking him in the bigs.

·       2B Ho-Yu Lee – looks like a great trade with the Phillies, and provides optimism for what a Flaherty trade might look like.   He’s only 21 and raking in Erie/AA.  Showing power and good base running ability. Should move up to Toledo this season.

Prospect Wild Cards (players who have either regressed, injured or had a bit of renaissance this season).

·       SP Tyler Madden 

·       SP Keider Montero

·       SP Wilmer Flores

·       SP Sawyer Gipson-Long

·       SP Troy Melton

·       SP Brant Hurter

·       SP Owen Hall

·       SP Ethan Schiefelbein

·       SP Paul Wilson

·       SP Jaden Hamm

·       SP Dylan Smith

·       SP Blake Dickerson

·       RP Tyler Mattison

·       C/1B Josue Briceno

·       SS Eddys Leonard

·       2B Max Anderson

·       SS Gage Workman

·       3B Carson Rucker

·       IF FRANYERBER!

·       OF Roberto Campos

·       OF Justice Bigbie

Taking up Space (might not make it through the season)

·       RP Joey Wentz – given too many opportunities.  Failed starter who is now acting like a failed reliever.

·       UT Zach McKinstry – versatile, but his bat doesn’t warrant playing as much as he does.  Only on roster because he can play a passable shortstop.

Impending Free Agents

·       RP Andrew Chafin – worth resigning to a one or two year deal

·       IF Gio Urshela – was a stopgap for Jung.  Should not be extended.

·       OF Mark Canha –  Would like an upgrade here.

·       SP Jack Flaherty – if not traded, should be given a qualifying offer.

·       C Carson Kelly – worth extending for up to two seasons (i.e. 2/$16M).  If his market is high, probably need to cut bait.

·       RP Shelby Miller – depending on how he finishes, would not likely resign, but upgrade through free agency or a failed starter at Toledo.

Damaged Goods (low likelihood of contributing)

·       SS Javier Baez (contract through 2/27)

·       SP Kenta Maeda (contract through 2/25)

·       1B Spencer Torkelson – would like to be optimistic but his demotion has only fueled more pessimism that he’ll figure things out.  

·       SS Ryan Kreidler – can’t seem to stay healthy or take advantage of opportunities when presented.

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