20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)

[Betrayer]

  On 5/27/2024 at 12:55 PM, Deleterious said:

I hope Duren fans are watching the Mavs-Wolves series.  You can not invest big money in a big man that can't play/defend on the perimeter.  

If you can't defend out there you better have a Jokic level offensive game.  

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Year after year.

You can get away with it in the regular season, but the playoffs are all about finding mismatches and exploiting them. Arguably, the DPOY is the best of the best in that role, and even he's hurting his team on the court. They're actively hunting him play after play.

And now the team is stuck between a rock and a hard place because you're paying this guy max money to sit on the bench during the playoffs. Should've spent that money on guys who will be on the court in every series, at the most important times of the game.

 

[gehringer_2]

  On 5/27/2024 at 3:56 PM, Betrayer said:

Year after year.

You can get away with it in the regular season, but the playoffs are all about finding mismatches and exploiting them. Arguably, the DPOY is the best of the best in that role, and even he's hurting his team on the court. They're actively hunting him play after play.

And now the team is stuck between a rock and a hard place because you're paying this guy max money to sit on the bench during the playoffs. Should've spent that money on guys who will be on the court in every series, at the most important times of the game.

 

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there is a definite contrast between baseball and football on one hand and hockey and basketball on the other in terms how the games change in the playoffs. In baseball and football, if you build a team to win the most regular season games, you have probably built a playoff winner. Not nearly as true in basketball and hockey.

[Shinzaki]

How much of that is how the games are called by the refs?  In hockey...they let more go in the playoffs than they do the regular season.  That tends to hamper teams that play a more finesse style of hockey  Don't watch enough of the NBA playoffs these days to really judge that

[Betrayer]

  On 5/27/2024 at 5:32 PM, Shinzaki said:

How much of that is how the games are called by the refs?  In hockey...they let more go in the playoffs than they do the regular season.  That tends to hamper teams that play a more finesse style of hockey  Don't watch enough of the NBA playoffs these days to really judge that

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It's night and day between the playoffs and the regular season in the NBA. Far more physical and the refs let a lot go. I wish regular season basketball was officiated that way because it feels like defense is actually allowed. It definitely has an effect on finesse teams or soft players in the playoffs. But it's not why Centers are less important - that's because most of them can't guard the perimeter and teams strategize to exploit that in a 7 game series. If you can't switch on defense you're cooked.

[Deleterious]

What is the holdup on Langdon?  

[Mr.TaterSalad]

  On 5/29/2024 at 12:58 PM, Deleterious said:

What is the holdup on Langdon?  

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Tom Gores doesn't know the season is over yet.

[Hongbit]

  On 5/29/2024 at 12:58 PM, Deleterious said:

What is the holdup on Langdon?  

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 Arn still making a case for his son.

[NYLion]

  On 5/29/2024 at 12:58 PM, Deleterious said:

What is the holdup on Langdon?  

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I was just wondering the same. Draft is less than a month away, they need to get moving on this if he's going to make changes. Makes me think that Weaver and Monty are going nowhere.

[Deleterious]

 

[Betrayer]

  On 5/29/2024 at 6:12 PM, Deleterious said:

 

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This org is run like a joke. It's not just Monty and Troy, they need to clean house.

Edit: Also, I'm glad to see that Omari continues to poke at this org when they drop the ball. Unlike JEIII, he's been getting a lot of respect from the fans for being more vocal on this type of stuff.

Edited May 29, 2024 by Betrayer

[Shinzaki]

Other than the McCloskey/Daly years...the Pistons org has always been dysfunctional.  Going back to the early 70's.  A lot of turmoil, infighting and incompetence

Edited May 29, 2024 by Shinzaki

[Deleterious]

Nothing to do with Tellem. This is Tom Gores nephew. 

I'm two seasons he has scored 5 points. Not 5 per game, 5 total. 

 

[Deleterious]

Ugh.  I didn't realize he has 4 years left on his contract.  That might change my mind a bit.

 

[buddha]

  On 5/31/2024 at 3:59 AM, Deleterious said:

Ugh.  I didn't realize he has 4 years left on his contract.  That might change my mind a bit.

 

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he's going to make $50 million next year.

[Deleterious]

  On 5/31/2024 at 4:22 AM, buddha said:

he's going to make $50 million next year.

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Pretty irrelevant to the Pistons for the next couple of years.  They have cap space to burn.  Year 3 and 4 could be tough if they do get good/better. He would make them better though.  

[Betrayer]

The Langdon story broke last week and we've heard zero from the organization. I hope that means they're sorting out the Monty and Troy firings before an announcement next week and the PR team is just hard at work writing everyone's speeches.

[buddha]

  On 5/31/2024 at 4:29 AM, Deleterious said:

Pretty irrelevant to the Pistons for the next couple of years.  They have cap space to burn.  Year 3 and 4 could be tough if they do get good/better. He would make them better though.  

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they need a stretch big man and he can shoot, especially when the games mean nothing.  and the pistons arent going to be playing meaningful games for a while.

[Deleterious]

  On 5/31/2024 at 5:50 AM, buddha said:

they need a stretch big man and he can shoot, especially when the games mean nothing.  and the pistons arent going to be playing meaningful games for a while.

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Pathetic.  Accurate, but pathetic.  

[Betrayer]

Shams reporting that Detroit is parting ways with Troy.

No word on Monty yet.

I knew it would happen on a Friday. Gores runs this thing like another company in his portfolio, not a sports franchise.

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by Betrayer

[Deleterious]

Pretty pointless. He was already kneecapped when they said they would hire a POBO.

[Betrayer]

  On 5/31/2024 at 8:56 PM, Deleterious said:

Pretty pointless. He was already kneecapped when they said they would hire a POBO.

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Agreed. Eating Monty's contract is the thing that will show me they're serious.

[Deleterious]

 

[Betrayer]

  On 6/1/2024 at 6:28 AM, Deleterious said:

 

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How many first rounds picks do we get with the salary dump? Sucks to start over, but I guess we could actually start doing what Weaver should've done from the start.

 

[buddha]

  On 6/1/2024 at 6:28 AM, Deleterious said:

 

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because lavine is a cancer.  selfish player who is constantly injured now.

all the options for "salary dumps" are flawed players making a **** ton too much money.  duh.  teams dont trade their best players in salary dumps.

then again, it beats joe harris.  unless were tanking for the 5th pick again.

[buddha]

  On 6/1/2024 at 6:55 AM, Betrayer said:

How many first rounds picks do we get with the salary dump? Sucks to start over, but I guess we could actually start doing what Weaver should've done from the start.

 

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the bulls still owe a #1 pick to san antonio for derozan.  they also have portland's #1 from an earlier deal.