20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)

[Deleterious]

This is the easiest decision the Pistons have had to make since drafting him.

 

[buddha]

Pistons hired a new coach today!

 

an assistant coach.  fred vinson.

sure seems like monty isnt going anywhere.

[Deleterious]

Vinson is a shooting coach and supposedly a really good one. Pelican fans are really upset he's leaving. 

Not 100% sure it means anything for Monty or not. Langdon probably made this hire.

[Betrayer]

7 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Vinson is a shooting coach and supposedly a really good one. Pelican fans are really upset he's leaving. 

Not 100% sure it means anything for Monty or not. Langdon probably made this hire.

Exactly. Getting this guy was a huge win. One of the most respected and desired shooting coaches in the league.

I know we said the same thing about Dan Burke as a defensive guy last year and that dude looked at this train wreck and decided not to show up to work for "personal reasons", but seriously this is a great hire. He's credited with making shooters out of a lot of poor-shooters (Lonzo, Herb Jones, etc).

And like you said, it's a Langdon hire. I'm just curious why it's being reported as "Vinson being added to William's coaching staff". He's a behind the scenes guy, not an on-the-bench guy. I wonder if that wording is officially from the Pistons and they're just trying to pretend that the whole "Monty decision" isn't a thing, or is it just JEIII trolling the fans again.

Edited June 15, 2024 by Betrayer

[Deleterious]

The Pistons Youtube channel is streaming the final game of the 2004 finals.

 

[casimir]

14 hours ago, Betrayer said:

Exactly. Getting this guy was a huge win. One of the most respected and desired shooting coaches in the league.

I know we said the same thing about Dan Burke as a defensive guy last year and that dude looked at this train wreck and decided not to show up to work for "personal reasons", but seriously this is a great hire. He's credited with making shooters out of a lot of poor-shooters (Lonzo, Herb Jones, etc).

And like you said, it's a Langdon hire. I'm just curious why it's being reported as "Vinson being added to William's coaching staff". He's a behind the scenes guy, not an on-the-bench guy. I wonder if that wording is officially from the Pistons and they're just trying to pretend that the whole "Monty decision" isn't a thing, or is it just JEIII trolling the fans again.

Not an “on-the-bench guy”?  How is that possible?  Coaching staffs have half of a section in the stands reserved for games.

[Deleterious]

Go get him. Worst case scenario he becomes a trade asset at the deadline.

 

[casimir]

4 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Go get him. Worst case scenario he becomes a trade asset at the deadline.

 

The 3 point shooting would be a welcome addition.

[Deleterious]

First I heard of that.  We could have Wiseman news tomorrow!

 

[Deleterious]

Only Pistons FA I expect back is Fontecchio.  His deal will could eat up some of that cap space, depending on how big it is.

 

[casimir]

17 hours ago, Deleterious said:

First I heard of that.  We could have Wiseman news tomorrow!

No updates on his twittergram account.  Yet.

[NYLion]

So are they hiring a GM before, ya know, the draft? I know they hired Blackstone as Langdon's assistant I guess? and the shooting coach but still no news on GM and coach and is now about a week away. Not off to a good start if you ask me.

[Deleterious]

There is no need for a GM with Langdon running things.  

[Deleterious]

I thought it slipped a lot.  I thought he was above average his rookie year as a defender.  

 

[NYLion]

8 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

There is no need for a GM with Langdon running things.  

So Langdon is president and GM? Sometimes presidents hire GMs so I assumed that was the case here since I don't see GM in his title.

[Deleterious]

45 minutes ago, NYLion said:

So Langdon is president and GM? Sometimes presidents hire GMs so I assumed that was the case here since I don't see GM in his title.

I think every organization is different.  Some have presidents, some have GM's, some have both.  More about responsibilities than titles.

Langdon was on a short clock because of when he was hired.  I imagine he has people in place now for the draft and free agency who will not be here this time next season.  After free agency is over I think he will start to evaluate everyone and decide who stays and who he replaces.

[Betrayer]

On 6/15/2024 at 1:03 PM, casimir said:

Not an “on-the-bench guy”?  How is that possible?  Coaching staffs have half of a section in the stands reserved for games.

Maybe a better term is "front-bench". Those guys are the ones who the head coach hand picks as part of his crew. Usually they're tied to the coach and are cleared out when the coach leaves.

Then there's the developmental and health guys that sit in the back row (or don't even appear on the bench) and work with the players. Those guys are often independent of the coach and are more likely to stay with the team regardless of the current coaching staff.

Vinson falls into the latter category and was clearly a Langdon hire which is why I question the "joining William's staff" wording.

[KL2]

4 hours ago, NYLion said:

So are they hiring a GM before, ya know, the draft? I know they hired Blackstone as Langdon's assistant I guess? and the shooting coach but still no news on GM and coach and is now about a week away. Not off to a good start if you ask me.

No reason. Langdon is the decider. 

Think Scott harris. he didn't hire a GM for a year. 

[gehringer_2]

32 minutes ago, KL2 said:

No reason. Langdon is the decider. 

Think Scott harris. he didn't hire a GM for a year. 

 The CBAs, maybe especially in Basketball, have gotten so complex to navigate that I see a future with more teams slotting GM's as contract management specialists and team Presidents acting as primary team managers.

[Deleterious]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

 The CBAs, maybe especially in Basketball, have gotten so complex to navigate that I see a future with more teams slotting GM's as contract management specialists and team Presidents acting as primary team managers.

Teams have employed capologists for a while now.  

[Deleterious]

I wonder if they try to get Cade's extension done before free agency starts.  Having your star locked up another 6 years is a selling point to potential free agents.  Not a big one, but still nice to have done.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Betrayer]

YES!!!!!

Langdon has earned a lot of trust with this one.

[oblong]

I don't know anything about the Pistons anymore but in my amateur opinion when a guy doesn't want to coach and you throw that kind of money at him to have to entice him... his heart won't be in it.  And from what I read here and on twitter it sure seemed like it.

 

[casimir]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

I don't know anything about the Pistons anymore but in my amateur opinion when a guy doesn't want to coach and you throw that kind of money at him to have to entice him... his heart won't be in it.  And from what I read here and on twitter it sure seemed like it.

 

The Pistons' owner likes shiny things.  While they needed new leadership of the front office and head coach, I'm just not sure how successful they will be with current ownership.