4/15/2024 9:30 ET The People of New York State's Supreme Court vs. Donald J. Trump and the Republican Party

[romad1]

So, you get the sense the prosecution doesn't think they need to do more.   They feel they have made their case. 

 

[pfife]

NPR this morning was talking about how they maynot have fully linked it to trump sufficiently yet.   Made me concerned when I heard it.

[romad1]

29 minutes ago, pfife said:

NPR this morning was talking about how they maynot have fully linked it to trump sufficiently yet.   Made me concerned when I heard it.

The legal faces who creep up on all these big trials have opinions all over the place like NFL Draft experts.  

[gehringer_2]

49 minutes ago, pfife said:

NPR this morning was talking about how they maynot have fully linked it to trump sufficiently yet.   Made me concerned when I heard it.

IDK - The link to Trump seems the most solid thing in the case. The weakest link in the case is proving the payments can't be construed as something other than a campaign expense.  The financial records are only fraudulent if the money was spent "for the campaign." If a juror thinks he would have spent the money to suppress the story for personal reasons anyway rather than campaign reasons, the premise of the case collapses. That seems like most effective appeal to make to the jury: That to Trump the money was small potatoes and he would have done it anyway even if he weren't running for office.

[romad1]

Jail him now

[Motown Bombers]

I remember being told Mittens is one of the good ones. 

 

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

I remember being told Mittens is one of the good ones. 

 

That would mean that if Trump accepted the pardon, that would have technically been an admission of guilt.

The only way Biden could have even considered issuing a pardon would be if Trump had promised never to run for public office (even dog catcher) again. Trump's ego would never allow that.

[Motown Bombers]

Yeah so it’s even worse. Romney said Biden should have pressured local prosecutors to drop charges or he will replace them. I seem to recall Mittens impeaching a president for trying to do a shakedown. What an absolute disgrace and tool. 

 

[oblong]

Is he speaking from a political angle?  Like it would have helped Biden?   That’s the only excuse 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Yeah so it’s even worse. Romney said Biden should have pressured local prosecutors to drop charges or he will replace them. I seem to recall Mittens impeaching a president for trying to do a shakedown. What an absolute disgrace and tool. 

 

He's a peacock that has reached a point where no-one is looking, so he's fanning his 'look a me!" feathers.

[CMRivdogs]

7 hours ago, oblong said:

Is he speaking from a political angle?  Like it would have helped Biden?   That’s the only excuse 

Here’s the part of the interview that he mentions pardoning Trump. It would have been a political calculation.

Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. If there was a condition that Trump would drop out of the race and retire quietly to Florida or wherever and stay out of the limelight yes. 
 

In that same scenario Biden would probably not run for a second term.

Neither is going to happen in the real world of 2024

[romad1]

I wouldn't pardon before the conclusion of the trials.  They need to fix his guilt.

[Motown Bombers]

The part about pressuring local prosecutors to pardoning Trump and threaten to oust them if they don't is the most alarming. That's no different than what Mittens voted to impeach Trump over. 

[romad1]

There is no reason to pardon Trump for anything.  I'm not a Republican Senator in a Republican state so I don't have the baggage that Romney has. 

One thing he proposed that has the govies upset is a mandate that no Federal employee can do more than 40% telework.  My wife worries it will kill the fed's ability to compete for talent.   As a guy who can't do any of his work outside of the office it amuses me.  I do prefer she's home when i get home though. 

[romad1]

Will they do a contempt hearing today re: the various reports that Trump used surrogates to attack the witnesses and judge? 

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, romad1 said:

There is no reason to pardon Trump for anything.  I'm not a Republican Senator in a Republican state so I don't have the baggage that Romney has. 

One thing he proposed that has the govies upset is a mandate that no Federal employee can do more than 40% telework.  My wife worries it will kill the fed's ability to compete for talent.   As a guy who can't do any of his work outside of the office it amuses me.  I do prefer she's home when i get home though. 

Romney is not running again. He doesn't have to appease the red base. Even if he was running again, he can carpetbag in a state like Michigan like when he moved to Utah to run for senate. 

[pfife]

6 minutes ago, romad1 said:

There is no reason to pardon Trump for anything.  I'm not a Republican Senator in a Republican state so I don't have the baggage that Romney has. 

One thing he proposed that has the govies upset is a mandate that no Federal employee can do more than 40% telework.  My wife worries it will kill the fed's ability to compete for talent.   As a guy who can't do any of his work outside of the office it amuses me.  I do prefer she's home when i get home though. 

I think your wife's concern about competition for talent is legit.   In my field it's already the case that they're at a disadvantage because they already pay significantly less than the subcontractors they hire.

[RatkoVarda]

Bobo's son is in court again today telling judge he is indigent and needs Colorado to pay for his defense. Bobo is in court today as well - in NY, supporting Trump in his porn trial.

Come January, we won't see her again unless you watch OAN or LindellTV.

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Bobo's son is in court again today telling judge he is indigent and needs Colorado to pay for his defense. Bobo is in court today as well - in NY, supporting Trump in his porn trial.

Come January, we won't see her again unless you watch OAN or LindellTV.

So Bobo didn't go to her own son's hearing.  Family values. 

[romad1]

44 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Romney is not running again. He doesn't have to appease the red base. Even if he was running again, he can carpetbag in a state like Michigan like when he moved to Utah to run for senate. 

My guess on all things that involve Senators, is that the senate staff are driving the bus on anything that involves a member who is a lame duck or geriatric member who can't tie their own shoes.   Is that the case here or is Mitt just really out of touch with reality because of any number of reasons.  One thing is for sure, he's no fan of Trump's. 

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, romad1 said:

My guess on all things that involve Senators, is that the senate staff are driving the bus on anything that involves a member who is a lame duck or geriatric member who can't tie their own shoes.   Is that the case here or is Mitt just really out of touch with reality because of any number of reasons.  One thing is for sure, he's no fan of Trump's. 

he's no fan of Trump the man, he was/is a fan of Trump as a right side President. He still wants to defend/protect that aspect of the brand and apparently sees them as separable.

Edited May 16, 2024 by gehringer_2

[oblong]

12 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Bobo's son is in court again today telling judge he is indigent and needs Colorado to pay for his defense. Bobo is in court today as well - in NY, supporting Trump in his porn trial.

Come January, we won't see her again unless you watch OAN or LindellTV.

Is OAN an acronym for OnlyFans?  Because I think that's where she ends up. 

Or she'll be the face of a conservative version of it.  No woke porn.  

 

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

Is OAN an acronym for OnlyFans?  Because I think that's where she ends up. 

Or she'll be the face of a conservative version of it.  No woke porn.  

 

West of the Mississippi river the Conservative movement used to be much more friendly to the seedier sides of life.  Now with all the cowboy churches and the influx of upset evangelicals from California and elsewhere they are much more repressed.  I have no problem with her plying her trade.  I do have a problem with her and MTG trying to claim any virtue they lack.  Mary Magdalene they are not. 

[romad1]

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

he's no fan of Trump the man, he was/is a fan of Trump as a right side President. He still wants to defend/protect that aspect of the brand and apparently sees them as separable.

Yeah, the basic Mitt platform of empowering private equity at the expense of the individual doesn't look that great.  The thing about telework is not/NOT about improving the quality of US Government work, its to protect the owners of all those office buildings downtown. 

[romad1]

16 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Yeah, the basic Mitt platform of empowering private equity at the expense of the individual doesn't look that great.  The thing about telework is not/NOT about improving the quality of US Government work, its to protect the owners of all those office buildings downtown. 

Its actually amazing to me that so many people support the Mitt weltanschaung when they don't benefit from them.