buddha Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: he still seems best suited as an agitator, work horse, pk specialist. i still dont see a ton of skill. with that said, those are valuable traits to have. seems like an andrew copp/jt compher type. but i readily admit i am not a hockey scout. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 49 minutes ago, buddha said: he still seems best suited as an agitator, work horse, pk specialist. i still dont see a ton of skill. with that said, those are valuable traits to have. seems like an andrew copp/jt compher type. but i readily admit i am not a hockey scout. lol. I thought the move from the top of the post from before the compilation post was pretty slick, granted I did not watch the game so you have a better idea than me! He most likely will settle into a role like you mentioned in the NHL, but it'll be interesting to see how much offense he shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 11 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: I thought the move from the top of the post from before the compilation post was pretty slick, granted I did not watch the game so you have a better idea than me! He most likely will settle into a role like you mentioned in the NHL, but it'll be interesting to see how much offense he shows. that move was a good one. true. that was the knock on him coming out in the draft: high motor but limited skill. that seems to be the M.O. for most of yzerman's first round picks. or more accurately, that he passes on players with high skill to take "200 foot all around jacks of all trades masters of none" types. i think that's a little harsh but has some truth to it. that's where kasper falls, imo. my other question with that critique is "is yzerman wrong to covet those types"? i have a feeling that nhl "draft experts" fall in love with a type, and that type is skilled offensive players. and then we get to the draft and nhl gms value size and strength over small skill guys who dominate in more wide open junior or european play. just an observation. i have a lot of hopes for yzerman's top picks. kasper is probably the lowest on my list other than cossa and that's only because cossa is a goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 36 minutes ago, buddha said: i have a feeling that nhl "draft experts" fall in love with a type, and that type is skilled offensive players. and then we get to the draft and nhl gms value size and strength o In the NHL it's always a balance. Your skill will get negated if you can't stand up to bigger stronger teams over 80 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 59 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: In the NHL it's always a balance. Your skill will get negated if you can't stand up to bigger stronger teams over 80 games. considering the team he inherited was small and unskilled, its taken a lot of time to bring them back up to nhl average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 https://thehockeynews.com/news/ranking-each-nhl-teams-mount-rushmore-no-4-detroit-red-wings gordie, stevie, nick and.... dylan larkin? nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4hzglory Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, buddha said: https://thehockeynews.com/news/ranking-each-nhl-teams-mount-rushmore-no-4-detroit-red-wings gordie, stevie, nick and.... dylan larkin? nope. In the article it says 1 had to be on the current roster so in that way it makes sense. Extremely dumb requirement, but whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Road game tonight in Pittsburgh so a lineup heavy with prospects and Grand Rapiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Wow Lombardi just made a really nice move and shot to tie the game. Made Grzelcyk look real bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Edited October 2 by lordstanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Athletic pre-season prediction: 81 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 13 hours ago, buddha said: Athletic pre-season prediction: 81 points I think that's dumb. For a team that got 91 points despite a horrible March slump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 After some not great plays I thought Danielson looked pretty dang good last night. I don't think he has a chance to make the team based on him having to clean up some stuff. Might be a chance of Kasper making the team though he's having a strong camp and preseason so far. I thought Watson looked alright last night despite him being kinda dumb (passed up a puck that was ricocheting to him alone in front of the net to try and go check someone) but he does bring an element the Wings don't have. I am starting to wonder if he makes the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 23 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: After some not great plays I thought Danielson looked pretty dang good last night. I don't think he has a chance to make the team based on him having to clean up some stuff. Might be a chance of Kasper making the team though he's having a strong camp and preseason so far. I thought Watson looked alright last night despite him being kinda dumb (passed up a puck that was ricocheting to him alone in front of the net to try and go check someone) but he does bring an element the Wings don't have. I am starting to wonder if he makes the team. well somebody beside Edvinsson better make the team sometime during the season. The Yzerplan has been in progress long enough that the pipeline needs to be getting some players to LCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 4 hours ago, lordstanley said: I think that's dumb. For a team that got 91 points despite a horrible March slump. hockey analytics seem off to me. i dont get them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: well somebody beside Edvinsson better make the team sometime during the season. The Yzerplan has been in progress long enough that the pipeline needs to be getting some players to LCA. wallinder and johannsen seem like roster filler. mazur and kasper should be on the team, but theyre blocked by yzerman's bottom rotation signings. i would rather have this year be a "step back to step forward" year than see petry, maata, and holl out there every night. why motte AND fisher? one would be fine but leave the other spot for a rookie. why three goalies? four really if you count campbell. i get the idea. rookies have to earn it. but has motte earned it over them? campbell AND talbot when you had lyon and husso already signed and cossa as an emergency? i get compher. i even get chiarot and copp. but some of these other signings i do not understand. blood your young talent. spend money to supplement it. not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I thought Motte looked pretty good last night, I'm happy to have him as an energy + PK guy if he plays that hard every night. Fischer I'm less excited about but he seems to have chemistry with Rasmussen and Copp, plus I think Yzerman values roster stability too now that they're trying to make the playoffs. I feel like I'm less eager to force in young guys than you two, but I also think Kasper should be on the team so I can't really disagree with you too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, buddha said: rookies have to earn it. HaHa. Ask the Tigers about that one. Edited October 2 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 34 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: I feel like I'm less eager to force in young guys t I don't care if he brings in young guys or trades or buys talent on the market - the point is he needs to be making progress a little faster than the Ross Ice Shelf. If they stagnate this year he's going to find himself in danger of comparisons to Al Avila. Edited October 2 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 if they tread water this year and just miss the playoffs again, we'll see if he ditches lalonde should a big name coach become available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 28 minutes ago, buddha said: if they tread water this year and just miss the playoffs again, we'll see if he ditches lalonde should a big name coach become available. I don't have any particular love for Lalonde and coaches are where the hammer always falls first, but this team wouldn't get to cup final under Scotty Bowman. They need better players. Edited October 2 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: I don't have any particular love for Lalonde and coaches are where the hammer always falls first, but this team wouldn't get to cup final under Scotty Bowman. They need better players. i have faith that they have a lot of really high quality players. but theyre in the minors and they refuse to give them a shot because we need a fourth line checking wing who has played three years in the league RIGHT NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 but to your point, they dont seem to have superstars. and the league has played a role in preventing them from drafting them because theyve been ****ed in the lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Absent rigging the draft lottery somehow, I'm not sure what Yzerman should have done differently in his tenure to acquire a superstar. It is tough to rebuild in the NHL and the team + prospect pool was absolutely awful when he took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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