buddha Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 10 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: Absent rigging the draft lottery somehow, I'm not sure what Yzerman should have done differently in his tenure to acquire a superstar. It is tough to rebuild in the NHL and the team + prospect pool was absolutely awful when he took over. i agree with you for the most part. people forget they were the worst team in the league (and one of the worst teams in nhl history) with one of the worst farm systems in the league when he took over. that said, the good sized contracts for middling to average players are now coming back to bite them a bit and those players are now blockinh prospects. the other avenue - besides signing older vets to get the team to be average - would have been continuing to be bad and sell off assets and draft higher in the lottery. the blackhawks route. which way is better? we shall see. but to your point, i think yzerman has done a decent job given the terrible hand he was dealt. the proof comes next year, imo, when kasper/danielson/mazur et al should all be in detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 19 hours ago, lordstanley said: I think that's dumb. For a team that got 91 points despite a horrible March slump. I read the article and there appear to be 2 main issues they have. Seider didn’t play to the level he was supposed to last year according to their analytics. They aren’t sure if he’s just the best defenseman on a bad team or if he can be one of the top 5 in the league. They see weakness up the middle with Copp and Compher. The numbers weren’t good last year and they see them regressing instead of a slight rebound. It’s hard to argue these two points but I think that both Seider and the 2 disappointing centers improve. The cap has a lot to do with it but running it back with Copp and Compher is a big move from Stevie. He’s got faith in these veteran players but hard to see this team improving much if they don’t step up their production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 2 hours ago, Hongbit said: I read the article and there appear to be 2 main issues they have. Seider didn’t play to the level he was supposed to last year according to their analytics. They aren’t sure if he’s just the best defenseman on a bad team or if he can be one of the top 5 in the league. They see weakness up the middle with Copp and Compher. The numbers weren’t good last year and they see them regressing instead of a slight rebound. It’s hard to argue these two points but I think that both Seider and the 2 disappointing centers improve. The cap has a lot to do with it but running it back with Copp and Compher is a big move from Stevie. He’s got faith in these veteran players but hard to see this team improving much if they don’t step up their production. i dont think copp and compher are necessarily the "problem." their contracts are potentially a problem. the "problem" is that those two are role players who are overpaid. the "problem" is they dont have enough high end skill players on offense so they end up with compher and copp playing roles they were unsuited to play for a playoff team. but you can still win with copp as a checking line center and compher as a "200 foot center" who does the dirty work between two skill players like kane and tarasenko. the issue up front to me is that larkin/raymond/debrincat need to take a step up and be a better line. theyre good, but they need to be amazing. i think wheeler and pronman still underestimate raymond. he needs to turn into panarin or zabinijad if the wings want to be a top team in the east. the other elephant on the ice is the defense. edvinsson must be on the seider track and turn into a 1b defense. petry and chairot should be 3rd pairing defense (petry shouldnt even be that) and instead they are top pairing and second pairing. they need one of their younger group of defensemen to take that step up, be it johannson or wallinder or eventually ASP. theyre never going anywhere until guys like petry are no longer necessary and guys like chairot are in a role that suits him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 it might be better for the team long term if they are out of it at the deadline and they can deal a physical defenseman like chairot to some contender for a 2nd round pick. copp is unmoveable on his deal but teams always value a physical defenseman at playoff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 another guy who could have more value than you might think is rasmussen. big and physical and on a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 There will be injuries, so maybe that gets some of the young guys on the ice to show their energy and value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Intriguing that it is Kasper + all regulars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hongbit said: Seider didn’t play to the level he was supposed to last year according to their analytics. I agree with Buddha's post above but just an added comment here about Seider, which is that I don't think Lalonde was really letting him play the 200 ft game he is capable of because neither his defense pair mate nor most of the front line personnel are capable of rotating back into coverage to allow for a Dman to carry the play deep. I want to see Seider play with some 200 foot front line players where Lalonde gives him freedom to carry the play. You have to have players with enough IQ to maximize what their mates can do, Wings aren't there yet beyond Larkin. Edited October 3 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Box score watchers/analytics nerds are going to claim Seider isn't living up to his billing because he's playing by far the hardest minutes of anyone in the league Not only is he playing against the hardest competition he also starts more shifts in the defensive zone than anyone else. Advanced hockey stats are not very nuanced when it comes to individuals and defending in my opinion. It is going to be next to impossible for anyone to turn his usage into being an analytics darling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 7 hours ago, buddha said: it might be better for the team long term if they are out of it at the deadline and they can deal a physical defenseman like chairot to some contender for a 2nd round pick. copp is unmoveable on his deal but teams always value a physical defenseman at playoff time. That's why I wanted so much for the Wings to make the playoffs last year. Rather than push the Wings into "win now" mode, I think it would have just bought some more time and got people off their back about this growing playoff drought. Win a bit last year, maybe even steal a 1st round series, and most people would be content with a step back if it meant getting the Wings to the best place in 3 years time. Not that I expect Yzerman and Illitch to make panic moves this year to make the playoffs, but rumblings will continue to get louder until the Wings make the postseason at least once. That's what the Tigers' run has given Harris and Illitch the luxury of, IMO. Tigers might well come 3rd next season and miss the playoffs, but this offseason they can make decisions that set the team up best for the rest of the '20s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Edvinsson and Seider are supposedly playing together tonight which will be interesting to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Kasper looking good between Kane and Tarasenko so far in my estimation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Edvinsson with some bad defensive zone coverage in this first period, woof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) pretty inept power play. Leaf's completely plugging up the middle, Wings won't just take the longer shot and play for a rebound or scrum. and Petry beat one-on-one for the Leafs' 2nd goal. I think I'm going to spend a lot of time shouting at the screen watching this team. Edited October 4 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 welp, so much for jack campbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I think he's had substance abuse issues in the past, wish him the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Maybe his nickname should’ve been Daniel’s instead of Soup. All jokes aside, I hope he can get himself right. He’s a native Michigander and I’ll never forget him backstopping that 2010 US team that beat Canada to win the World Juniors . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: I think he's had substance abuse issues in the past, wish him the best And a question I don't know the answer to. Is the program only for assistance with substance abuse issues? What about general mental health? Because last year during his Edmonton struggles I was hearing that his confidence was shot and he was having mental struggles and that alcohol or drugs may not have been the issue, at least not last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 kasper with 2 goals already. are you watching stevie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 MBN assist on goal 2. I'm very annoyed I am blacked out because of the NHL Network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) nobody cares about playing extra time in an exhibition game, but more inexplicable officiating from pro sports officials. Not the Wings didn't deserve to give up the goal, Larkin with the brain freeze. Edited October 5 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) Will be surprised if Kasper doesn't stay in Detroit...will also be surprised if MBN isn't starting the year in GR with Danielson Going to need a competent vet to work in GR with Cossa. Lethemon is playing in Finland so he's out. Former draft pick Keith Petruzelli is available...but he doesn't have a ton of experience. Maybe they waive one of the three they have on the roster and hope he sneaks through? Edited October 5 by Shinzaki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Will be surprised if Kasper doesn't stay in Detroit...will also be surprised if MBN isn't starting the year in GR with Danielson Going to need a competent vet to work in GR with Cossa. Lethemon is playing in Finland so he's out. Former draft pick Keith Petruzelli is available...but he doesn't have a ton of experience. Maybe they waive one of the three they have on the roster and hope he sneaks through? Oh no not Petruzelli, I still haven't forgiven him for spurning the Wings and signing with the Leafs 😂 I'm starting to wonder if they try and sneak Husso through waivers due to his cap hit. If someone claims him it gives you some cap space at least... I agree with your calls on Kasper, MBN and Danielson. Kasper has looked pretty dang good and they've used him in a PK role. It feels weird to send MBN back to Sweden, the AHL makes the most sense to get him more used to the NA ice. Danielson looks good but still has stuff to work on, and muscle to add. I wish they could offload Veleno and Berggren to make room for kids and/or Watson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 i havent seen anything from johannson that says he's nothing more than a bottom pairing guy. they have to keep him or cut him, i wouldnt be surprised if they waived him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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