buddha Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: The Wings actually scored more goals per game without Kane in the lineup than with him in the lineup (and gave up a lot less goals against) though this does include the stretch without Larkin which is probably more of a driving force than Kane being in the lineup. But something I definitely found interesting. by fancy stats, at 5v5 the wings were one of the worst teams in the league. they had pne of the best shooting %s in the league and alex lyon did his best terry sawchuck impersonation for two months. i expect regression next year without something drastic. i'd rather see them call up the youngsters and roll with it. good discussion on wwp today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 8 minutes ago, buddha said: by fancy stats, at 5v5 the wings were one of the worst teams in the league. they had pne of the best shooting %s in the league and alex lyon did his best terry sawchuck impersonation for two months. i expect regression next year without something drastic. i'd rather see them call up the youngsters and roll with it. good discussion on wwp today. I think unless Lalonde changes his systems, the Wings will never look good when evaluating fancy stats. Their offense seems to be built around low volume but high quality shots, while their defense sorta seems to be letting other teams shoot from low danger areas as much as they want. Not saying they don't show a cause for concern, I just don't think the fancy stats are ever going to show large shot shares at 5 on 5 compared to most teams. Just my opinion though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 58 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: I think unless Lalonde changes his systems, the Wings will never look good when evaluating fancy stats. Their offense seems to be built around low volume but high quality shots, while their defense sorta seems to be letting other teams shoot from low danger areas as much as they want. Not saying they don't show a cause for concern, I just don't think the fancy stats are ever going to show large shot shares at 5 on 5 compared to most teams. Just my opinion though. The first part absolutely, and given that they had DeBrincat and Larkin, Perron, and Kane, who are all great snipers, it's absolutely the right strategy on offense for them. SOG don't win games. BUT, OTOH, they are horrible in the D zone exactly as you point out because they don't attack possession. It was interesting to hear Moritz highlight that very thing in his exit interview discussion of what they need to do better. He gets it. The problem is that Wings forwards don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 excellent news, he had a great season and I’m excited to see how his pro career goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr.TaterSalad Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 I've been starting to do some research of my own by reading up on and watching videos from this years crop of draft prospects. Stan, Sloth or anyone that follows juniors/international juniors/colligate hockey who are prospects the Wings could realistically be looking at in this years draft? I'd like to see us build up our depth at forward and get a pure goal scorer if that player exists when we pick. Last year I wanted one of Zach Benson or Colby Barlow as they projected as such and we didn't draft either. Is this a forwarded heavy draft, defensive heavy draft, balanced, or a weak draft class? Do we have a shot at the Tij Iginla who is Jerome Iginla's son? He seems like a dynamic goal scorer who could play wing or center. Berkly Catton, Liam Greentree, Cayden Lindstrom are some other prospects of interest to me that fit the goal scoring mode. Are these guys that would realistically be there when the Wings pick? Who are we looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Michael Brandsegg-Nygard is a SY kind of pick. RH shot...decent size...some skill but also very responsible defensively As a 19 year old who doesn't turn 20 until February...I think Gibson has to play Jr next year unless he's somehow good enough to make the Wings. I think that's also the case with Finnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 12 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Michael Brandsegg-Nygard is a SY kind of pick. RH shot...decent size...some skill but also very responsible defensively With how he's playing right now I feel like he's going to be gone before the Wings pick sadly. I still haven't gotten up to speed on prospects for this draft yet personally, just some stuff here and there. I think you are right about Gibson and Finnie too, back to juniors for them sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 15 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I've been starting to do some research of my own by reading up on and watching videos from this years crop of draft prospects. Stan, Sloth or anyone that follows juniors/international juniors/colligate hockey who are prospects the Wings could realistically be looking at in this years draft? ? I'll have to defer to Sloth and others. It's no false modesty of mine to say that I probably know less about draft prospects than any regular contributor to the Red Wings section. Exception is if a player plays for WHL's Vancouver Giants or AHL's Abbotsford, or is a Western Canadian gaining "exceptional" status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Great experience for both the Wings current and possibly future goalies. Not sure how Petry got the call but hopefully he’s last on the depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Odd that they had Larkin going now all of a sudden he's injured. I wonder what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 4 hours ago, Hongbit said: Not sure how Petry got the call but hopefully he’s last on the depth chart. I think he's gone to the World's a bunch in the past and most of the countries respect that because not a ton of NHL players usually like to go. Plus the next oldest defenseman to him is Seth Jones who doesn't really strike me as a leader type so Petry brings that "veteran presence" to a young group. I was shocked to see him there though, I figured he'd want the time off anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I can take or leave Perron for one more season, he's old and slow but he was one of the few players playing hard/like it was playoff hockey down the stretch and he can at least win some board battles. I think I'm fine not signing Kane, he's electric offensively but is such a drag on defense and the Wings already have some players like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Quote From eprinkside.com Jakub Rychlovský's stock is skyrocketing at a rate that is sure to generate some attention overseas as a free agent of interest. The progress is undeniable, from one point in 13 contests in the 2019-20 season to 45 points in 50 games just four seasons later. He's now the youngest player in Czech Extraliga history to win the scoring title, scoring in the season finale to give him 26 goals on the season, one better than the previous record-holder, Dominik Kubalík. His nickname is “Rychlík,” and it's a fitting one. The translation on it is “speed,” and that's one of the dominant features of his game. He's an intelligent, instinctual scorer with a flair for showing up big and scoring goals. NHL teams are right to have interest in Rychlovský. Most likely just minors fodder but it is good to try it out, free look at a younger guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. Talk picking up of Anaheim listening to offers on Trevor Zegras. The price would be very high but he just turned 23 and is a superstar talent. I wonder if Stevie has any interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 28 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. Talk picking up of Anaheim listening to offers on Trevor Zegras. The price would be very high but he just turned 23 and is a superstar talent. I wonder if Stevie has any interest. probably, but then you have to pay him, raymond, and seider. he'd be on the same "time line" as those other two. that's your core (plus debrincat, i guess). can you win with that core? the wings are going to be a little short on space this year, but things open up nicely next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 It would be interesting with the Ducks souring on Zegras for whatever reason. Injury concerns? Lack of defense? too weird? I love Getzlaf's face in this. But Verbeek is in charge over there, so shipping Zegras off to his former boss would be an interesting background to the whole thing. Maybe he gives Steve the inside scoop and the Wings stay away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 7 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: It would be interesting with the Ducks souring on Zegras for whatever reason. Injury concerns? Lack of defense? too weird? I love Getzlaf's face in this. But Verbeek is in charge over there, so shipping Zegras off to his former boss would be an interesting background to the whole thing. Maybe he gives Steve the inside scoop and the Wings stay away? yeah, why would the ship off a young player like that just coming into his prime? they have no cap concerns. he's young enough to be on their timeline for success. sounds fishy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. Talk picking up of Anaheim listening to offers on Trevor Zegras. The price would be very high but he just turned 23 and is a superstar talent. I wonder if Stevie has any interest. We haven't been in on other superstars in the past couple of seasons when they've been available on the trade block or free agent market: from Johnny G to Matthew Tkachuk. That was in all likelihood due to where we were at in the rebuild process, with a roster not yet ready for such a move. I think this offseason we can afford to be more aggressive in trying to acquire a marquee or very good talent. We added Debrincat last year and could add another big piece this year. If a guy like Zegras or a Brady Tkachuk were available I'd love to be in on one of those trades, so as long as we weren't giving up too much of our defensive future or Nate Danielson in the trade. I'm not giving up Edvinsson or Cossa and mortgaging out the back end and defense of this team to get another offensive player. But short of that, I'd be open to other prospects. There may be a chance that we're not going to be in on making a marquee, splash trade or free agent signing this year though. Yzerman may just look to continue to add to the depth of good players we have. Maybe he is looking to add more scoring depth, to role out 10-11-12 10+ goal scorers and 25+ point producers to build a Vegas Golden Knights style Cup contender. I've said in the past, based on where we this roster is heading, that we're looking more and more like a team without a true superstars but with lots of potential depth in having good/really good players on this roster. A team that can role out three consistent scoring lines and two consistent pairings on the blueline. Pairing a guy like Zegras with Larkin or Raymond could certainly provide a big scoring punch if he can return from injury and build off his solid 22-23 NHL season where 65 points off 23 goals and 42 assists. I'd start with Petry and Holl for Zegras to see what Anaheim says. What the heck I bet it would work on NHL 24 in franchise mode. 🙂 In all seriousness, I'd offer them 2 of the 4 of Jonatan Berggren, Carter Mazur, William Wallinder, Trey Augustine plus a 2024 1st and a 2024 2nd to see where that gets us. Edited June 5 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, buddha said: yeah, why would the ship off a young player like that just coming into his prime? they have no cap concerns. he's young enough to be on their timeline for success. sounds fishy to me. Agreed, a Zegras type player should be who the Ducks are trying to acquire not ship out, so I'm really curious as to what has gone on. I can't say I've seen much of his play over the last season or two though. I do remember hoping the Wings would consider him in the draft but I'm very happy with Seider haha. I think without looking into how he's been on the ice, my guess is that the Ducks are seeing if someone is willing to give up way too much for him (listening to offers versus actively shopping him). I don't see Yzerman being the GM to overpay for him, but I guess stranger things have happened. I really don't know what to make of the situation overall though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 There’s nothing wrong with Zegras. He’s as good as you think he is What’s wrong is the lack of overall talent on the wing and blue line for the Ducks. They have correctly taken best player available when they’ve drafted high and they now have Zegras, Leo Carlsson, Mason McTavish, and Cutter Gauthier all at Center. That’s a massive logjam of Center talent that they need to trade from to address other areas. I think it’s really smart to dangle the best one that has the highest trade value and also happens to be the oldest. He’s got 2 more years under a good deal. They will get a kings ransom of young players and picks from someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 45 minutes ago, Hongbit said: There’s nothing wrong with Zegras. He’s as good as you think he is What’s wrong is the lack of overall talent on the wing and blue line for the Ducks. They have correctly taken best player available when they’ve drafted high and they now have Zegras, Leo Carlsson, Mason McTavish, and Cutter Gauthier all at Center. That’s a massive logjam of Center talent that they need to trade from to address other areas. I think it’s really smart to dangle the best one that has the highest trade value and also happens to be the oldest. He’s got 2 more years under a good deal. They will get a kings ransom of young players and picks from someone. i dont think the wings should give up the farm for him. i would trade kasper. i wouldnt trade danielson. and if they are stocked at center, they probably want sandin pelikka and picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothfacekilla Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 he seemed to really come alive last season, would be a good potential pickup I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: he seemed to really come alive last season, would be a good potential pickup I think not at $4m per. equivalent of spending big money on copp based on his stint with the rangers in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 5 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: he seemed to really come alive last season, would be a good potential pickup I think They need to cool it with the hometown guys. It’s been more of a distraction than an advantage with the 5 they already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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