Project Autocracy

[CMRivdogs]

They're eating their own

https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3lea6pzljnk2z

 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[Tigeraholic1]

*Small margin being all swing states and the popular vote. 

[LaceyLou]

7 hours ago, Tigermojo said:

If Denmark buys the US, Canada will become the 51st State.

Maybe Denmark can buy some of the states, which Canada can join, and the rest of the states will be bought by some other country.

[CMRivdogs]

Am I correct in assuming this is the post that has MAGA up in arms today?
 

 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[romad1]

What in the actual hell is going on with Vivek?

[Tiger337]

6 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

*Small margin being all swing states and the popular vote. 

If a team is involved in extra inning games all year and then wins by one-run in regulation, it's still a small margin even though it's cleaner than an extra inning victory. 

49.9% of voters voted for Trump.  48.4% voted for Harris.  It is more decisive than winning the electoral and losing the popular vote, but it is not a big margin.  

[Tiger337]

3 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Am I correct in assuming this is the post that has MAGA up in arms today?
 

 

I agree with most of what Ramaswamy said in that article.  Unfortunately, Trump is the antitheses of everything he says that he wants to see happen.  That is because Ramaswarmy is a hypocrite who really just wants money and power.  

[oblong]

[oblong]

I don’t know where Vivek is going. I can’t see him doing that without some kind of vetting if he wants to be part of maga.  Is this related to Musks tweet as well?  That was kind of racist, he implies physical differences in people.
 

I don’t see much of anything wrong with what Vivek wrote. But I took a gummy tonight and have had a beer.  But he seems to contradict the whole “college is stupid” argument that’s taken hold on the GOP in this Joe Rogan world. 

[mtutiger]

A couple of things:

1) It's possible to watch reruns of Friends, watch Saturday morning cartoons, hang out at the mall (kids still do that?), etc. and achieve a successful career in the engineering field. I should know because I did that. Vivek is wildly out of touch with normal Americans and their experience 

2) Whatever contempt Trump voters think that Vivek, Elon and others from that crowd think they have for liberals, they all have the same contempt for Trump's own voters. Vivek's screed is a slip of the mask on this reality 

Edited December 27, 2024 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

It's worth noting that for all of Vivek's big feelings and opinions about the engineering field, he's a Harvard and Yale educated lawyer. No engineering degrees or PE Licenses to be found.

But he's in Trump's orbit, so that makes him a 'big thinker' or some ****

[romad1]

US universities are the envy of the World.   There are elite universities elsewhere in the World but the entire US system is chocked full of great schools with great programs. 

The easiest take in the World for the Mr. Burns class is to tell the poors that they should stay in the lower classes by skipping college.  Screw them!  Fight your way up the out of the crab bucket and get the credentials which enable you to see the World in all the ways that matter.  See the nice countries where they do things slightly differently.  See the way the World actually works in terms of systems (human, mechanical, political, philosophical).  See the less nice countries where they hate you for your systems (the fact that you have restaurants that celebrate an unspecified "mission").   Of course the latter option is also available to uneducated kids who want to learn how to strip an AR, and work a floor buffer but more so to those kids who set out on the journey of going to a university.

And lets celebrate the Universe in university, screw the single threading of education to focus on a single topic. We need more engineers who know poetry and we need more poets who know engineering.  We can use more English teachers who know what quantum physics is and how AI and machine learning will change everything.

 

[Edman85]

32 minutes ago, romad1 said:

And lets celebrate the Universe in university, screw the single threading of education to focus on a single topic. We need more engineers who know poetry and we need more poets who know engineering.  We can use more English teachers who know what quantum physics is and how AI and machine learning will change everything.

 

 

As an engineer, what good does poetry do me? Anyways, I did have 5 or so required humanities electives in my undergrad, so this exists. I just checked the current program map, and it is still there. This is a current Purdue Mechanical Engineering undergrad map:

 

That is to say if there is too much emphasis on other things, at some point there is an opportunity cost that needs to be weighed. I personally think poetry is a waste of time for me professionally, but things like technical writing, communications, leadership skills, foreign languages, maybe some history are beneficial. I am trying to get heavy into reading books the upcoming year. Primary reason is to increase focus. I have full on brain rot and my focus needs to be restored.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

 

As an engineer, what good does poetry do me? Anyways, I did have 5 or so required humanities electives in my undergrad, so this exists. I just checked the current program map, and it is still there. This is a current Purdue Mechanical Engineering undergrad map:

 

That is to say if there is too much emphasis on other things, at some point there is an opportunity cost that needs to be weighed. I personally think poetry is a waste of time for me professionally, but things like technical writing, communications, leadership skills, foreign languages, maybe some history are beneficial. I am trying to get heavy into reading books the upcoming year. Primary reason is to increase focus. I have full on brain rot and my focus needs to be restored.

I think where there's a point to what ROMAD is saying is that there's a value in being an engineer that knows how to talk to people professionally, and not every engineer does well or excels in this regard. It's particularly an important skill on the consulting side where I have spent my career... And that a broader liberal arts experience might help improve that.

Michigan Tech had similar requirements when I was there to the above and feel they served me well, and certainly with a finite amount of credits at play, it's not clear where you are cutting to make room for more of that curriculum.

[ewsieg]

I hope this doesn't come off disparaging, but i'm playing off the well rounded aspect of education that goes along with some of this immigrant talk for technical jobs.

My company, like most, have outsourced a lot of our IT (in fact we offshored, then outsourced the offshored, and then sold many to HCL).   Anyway, for the past 10 years, getting any new application up and running has been more difficult as we're working with Indians.  If you put a clearly defined and specific goal in front of them, they are fantastic.  Very technical.  But prior to the offshore, we could take our idea and work with IT where they would be able to help us develop and brainstorm exactly what an end result could look like and also give us feedback on what is needed from us to help get to that point.  So now every project, regardless of how small it is, gets a project manager that essentially just breaks down every tiny little thing into very specific things and it's on the PM if something breaks to figure out.  I'm going on too long here, essentially they aren't good at understanding the vision of the final piece and figuring out how to get there.  

To me, that's not a culture thing, that's a result of not having a well rounded education.

[pfife]

My experience is pretty similar E.   Ive worked with some incredible developers and people offshore but there seems to be a lot of communication breakdowns and rework.  

[ewsieg]

On another subject, never would have imagined I'd have 'rooting for Laura Loomer' on my 2024 bingo card.

[oblong]

I too have an experience that makes me wonder if it’s cultural.  I’ve been consistently over promised and under delivered to the point where I just ignore and wait for something concrete.  The reason I assume it’s culturally accepted is because the performance has been brutal if in that regard.  Things were given that even if I showed any of you here you would see the problems. But hey…. They met a deliverable to the customer. 

[pfife]

then theres this

Im assuming his monitors werent working ans thats why hes so off rhythm

 

[romad1]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I think where there's a point to what ROMAD is saying is that there's a value in being an engineer that knows how to talk to people professionally, and not every engineer does well or excels in this regard. It's particularly an important skill on the consulting side where I have spent my career... And that a broader liberal arts experience might help improve that.

Michigan Tech had similar requirements when I was there to the above and feel they served me well, and certainly with a finite amount of credits at play, it's not clear where you are cutting to make room for more of that curriculum.

I’m definitely not calling for everyone to learn about poetry in particular.  I was riffing.  Diversity in education and humanities are valuable for the technical.

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I’m definitely not calling for everyone to learn about poetry in particular.  I was riffing.  Diversity in education and humanities are valuable for the technical.

I've seen enough engineers fail because they didn't have the communication skills to make their case. I always told students who thought their engineering tech comm requirements were wasting their time to remember that to get the money to do any of the things they wanted to achieve technically they would in 90% of cases have to persuade a non-technical person to give it to them. That argument sometimes seemed to strike a chord.

Edited December 27, 2024 by gehringer_2

[mtutiger]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I've seen enough engineers fail because they didn't have the communication skills to make their case. I always told students who thought their engineering tech comm requirements were wasting their time to remember that to get the money to do any of the things they wanted to achieve technically they would in 90% of cases have to persuade a non-technical person to give it to them. That argument sometimes seemed to strike a chord.

The companies I have worked for have generally had a technical track and a PM track, so it's not like you cannot advance at all. But the PM track tends to be the client facing one, and the client facing leadership positions tend to be the ones that can maximize earnings potential.

All of this is to say that, at least in the civil consulting world, you want to be one of the employees that your firm feels comfortable putting in front of a client. And for better or worse, there are plenty of engineers who aren't equipped for that

Edited December 27, 2024 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

I’m definitely not calling for everyone to learn about poetry in particular.  I was riffing.  Diversity in education and humanities are valuable for the technical.

Agreed completely... I remember far too many of my classmates blowing them off when I was in undergrad