Project Autocracy

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 12/31/2024 at 4:00 PM, mtutiger said:

The price listed in the article ($5.99/12 eggs) was pretty similar to what I saw in Texas last week and what I saw at the grocery store yesterday at home....

Maybe there is some impact at the margins, but it's pretty clear that the bulk of the increase in egg prices is due to bird flu.

 

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Michigan law goes into effect tomorrow so who knows. Not the end of the world or anything just interested to see what the avg will end up being. 

[gehringer_2]

  On 12/31/2024 at 4:23 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

Michigan law goes into effect tomorrow so who knows. Not the end of the world or anything just interested to see what the avg will end up being. 

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I just read an interesting twist, which is that the states that were transitioning to cage-free had been doing marginally better against H1N1, but now are being hit as hard as non-cage free operations as the virulence increases. So you may be seeing the cage free states just catching up to the rest of rest of country in bird flu impact. So cage-free may be a factor in why a price increase now, but not the cost issue per se.

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Bird flu has ravaged conventional egg-laying hens and, unlike in previous years, is now sweeping through cage-free and certified organic operations, disproportionately affecting prices in cage-free states like California.

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https://www.fooddive.com/news/post-holdings-egg-business-impacted-by-bird-flu-as-prices-rise/735694/#:~:text=Michael Foods%2C responsible for brands,about 14% of Post's supply.

Edited December 31, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

Yeah looks like it will get worse before it gets better. The species to species jump is a little concerning.

[gehringer_2]

this is all part of a larger societal conflict over food production. 1st world consumers want food produced by 'non-industrial' processes, but that's fundamentally at conflict with the need to feed 7 billion people from earth's available agricultural base. Basically the rich are willing to price the poor out of the ability to feed themselves. If you are in favor of kinder/gentler agriculture you better be in favor of either population reduction or at least big reductions in meat consumption (which is the biggest resource consumer) or you are holding to contradictory economic ideas.

[CMRivdogs]

Especially after seeing reports that the virus has spread to cattle as well. Then from cattle to humans in a few areas.

Time to stock up on masks and TP as well as bleach

[mtutiger]

  On 12/31/2024 at 4:42 PM, gehringer_2 said:

Basically the rich are willing to price the poor out of the ability to feed themselves. 

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That's RFK Jr.'s music right there lol

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 12/31/2024 at 4:43 PM, CMRivdogs said:

Especially after seeing reports that the virus has spread to cattle as well. Then from cattle to humans in a few areas.

Time to stock up on masks and TP as well as bleach

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It has only passed from bird to human so far and most cases were from direct contact. 

On the political side, getting people to mask up again will be fascinating.

[pfife]

I'm in Michigan and also am eating a 3 egg omelet I just made, yesterday I used 2 eggs for a ham egg chese bagel sammich

[LaceyLou]

  On 12/31/2024 at 4:43 PM, CMRivdogs said:

Especially after seeing reports that the virus has spread to cattle as well. Then from cattle to humans in a few areas.

Time to stock up on masks and TP as well as bleach

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Cats can get it also-the virus has been found in some raw food chicken diets and at least one cat has died from it. So be careful about buying raw diets for pets, or 'human grade' food.

[romad1]

  On 12/31/2024 at 7:01 PM, pfife said:

I'm in Michigan and also am eating a 3 egg omelet I just made, yesterday I used 2 eggs for a ham egg chese bagel sammich

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Think of your finances!

 

[Tiger337]

Even $6 for a dozen eggs is a bargain.  Where else can you get 4 meals for $6?

[gehringer_2]

Not sure what it all means but all Terry Gilliam references get a like.

Edited January 1 by gehringer_2

[mtutiger]

5.79 at our local Walmart today for 18, fwiw.

Said it in 2022 when inflation was at its peak, will say it again... It pays to clip coupons and shop around.

[chasfh]

Maybe once Joe Biden is no longer able to use his presidential powers to sicken chickens so he can drive up the cost of eggs, the price of them will finally come under control.

[Edman85]

12 pack large eggs, $4.49 at Publix this morning. I think I could have gotten them for $3.39 at Target, but I needed them for breakfast this morning and Target opened too late.

[mtutiger]

  On 12/31/2024 at 2:06 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

The Indian PE's run circles around their american counterparts. 

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Wouldn't it be just as easy to apply this logic to low skilled agricultural labor?

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 1/1/2025 at 2:05 PM, mtutiger said:

Wouldn't it be just as easy to apply this logic to low skilled agricultural labor?

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One immigrated legally and the other did not. So no that logic would not apply.

[gehringer_2]

  On 1/1/2025 at 3:58 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

One immigrated legally and the other did not. So no that logic would not apply.

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But the circumstances of their presence isn't why their performance is better or worse. If the issue is that the need for skilled labor should be reflected in who immigration policy favors, then MTU's point is exactly valid.

[mtutiger]

  On 1/1/2025 at 4:02 PM, gehringer_2 said:

But the circumstances of their presence isn't why their performance is better or worse. If the issue is that the need for skilled labor should be reflected in who immigration policy favors, then MTU's point is exactly valid.

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Exactly.

So, again following the logic, shouldn't we be making changes to the system that make it easier for lower skilled workers to immigrate as well? Given that lower skilled immigrants (from personal experience, fwiw) run laps around their American counterparts in the fields? On construction sites? Etc.

Edited January 1 by mtutiger

[CMRivdogs]

  On 1/1/2025 at 3:58 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

One immigrated legally and the other did not. So no that logic would not apply.

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While one may have immigrated "legally", his intentions were not exactly kosher. How much time did he spend in college on his student visa?

[mtutiger]

  On 1/1/2025 at 4:22 PM, CMRivdogs said:

While one may have immigrated "legally", his intentions were not exactly kosher. How much time did he spend in college on his student visa?

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Also raises another issue...

Just because the class of immigrant being discussed (ie. college educated, highly skilled) isn't frequently covered on Fox News and other right wing social media doesn't mean that there aren't these types of immigrants who came here illegally. Or have overstayed visas (which in effect makes their status illegal)

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 1/1/2025 at 4:22 PM, CMRivdogs said:

While one may have immigrated "legally", his intentions were not exactly kosher. How much time did he spend in college on his student visa?

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This makes zero sense. 

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 1/1/2025 at 4:02 PM, gehringer_2 said:

But the circumstances of their presence isn't why their performance is better or worse. If the issue is that the need for skilled labor should be reflected in who immigration policy favors, then MTU's point is exactly valid.

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Again, legal immigration vs illegal. 

[mtutiger]

  On 1/1/2025 at 5:48 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

Again, legal immigration vs illegal. 

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Every low skilled immigrant worker in the United States is illegal?

This makes no sense

Edited January 1 by mtutiger

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 1/1/2025 at 5:51 PM, mtutiger said:

Every low skilled immigrant worker in the United States is illegal?

This makes no sense

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I am only speaking to the low skilled illegal immigrants here currently.