chasfh Posted January 4 Posted January 4 11 hours ago, mtutiger said: This doesn't really dispel the notion that both Catturd and End Wokeness are very biased sources of information And as such cannot be relied upon to adhere to the well-established ethics of journalism, such as avoiding slander and libel; attempting to identify mis- an disinformation; maintaining standards of good taste and decency; maintaining respect for accountability; and elevating truthfulness, accuracy, and facts—specifically because they are not journalists. Quote
pfife Posted January 4 Posted January 4 It is a hilarious self own by magalol here. Next time they post that **** you know its on purpose Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 12/20/2024 at 1:34 PM, Archie said: That’s not true. Most media are left wing and some are very far left. CBS, ABC and NBC prove it daily. Look at the debates where the moderators were fact checking one side but not the other. ABC just settled out of court for false accusations on Trump. Then you have NBC which is home to Kristen Walker and F Chuck Todd -two of the most biased reporters around siding for the democrats all the time. Some of the cable outlets have realized they have to pay the light bill and are trying to cover Trump more fairly and objectively but are still a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Trump and his administration are a breath of fresh air after four years of complete disaster from the worst administration ever. Government needs to fundamentally change for the safety and prosperity of the American people. Most of you here are puppets to a political party so you are hoping Trump fails. If he fails so does the country. He might be our last chance to fix things. You obviously don't listen to much AM radio Quote
mtutiger Posted January 4 Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, pfife said: It is a hilarious self own by magalol here. Next time they post that **** you know its on purpose It's not even particularly new... I remember Rush Bimbo deploying that one from time to time when called out on his BS Quote
pfife Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) So doge is going to force private companies to insure veterans? Per yoosh Guess is not tyranny when they do it Edited January 4 by pfife Quote
mtutiger Posted January 4 Posted January 4 12 hours ago, mtutiger said: Also more generally, it's really unclear why the American public should trust Elon Musk (who, incidentally, is also definitely not the power behind the throne we've been reliably told) with the power to *checks notes* prioritize what should and shouldn't be cut from government. What makes his input so special? Since Fife brought it back up, anything here? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just now, mtutiger said: Since Fife brought it back up, anything here? Approx $277 Million 1 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, pfife said: So doge is going to force private companies to insure veterans? Per yoosh Guess is not tyranny when they do it Huh? The government would fund it. How does the VA function now lol. Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 13 hours ago, mtutiger said: Problems require solutions.... and if the last nine years have taught us anything, these guys don't have any of those. Ergo blaming Jabbar on ISIS, or blaming illegal immigrants for crimes being committed by American citizens, etc. ISIS doesn't exist anymore. Trump elimainated them all by himself. Quote
pfife Posted January 4 Posted January 4 33 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Huh? The government would fund it. How does the VA function now lol. ah got it, it isn't tyranny when your team does it Quote
mtutiger Posted January 4 Posted January 4 https://news.va.gov/press-room/trust-in-va-among-veteran-patients-rises-to-91-8/ Today, the Department of Veterans Affairs announced that Veteran trust in VA outpatient care has increased to 91.8% — up from 85.4% in 2017(the first year since VA began conducting this survey). Veteran trust has increased during each of the past seven years. This finding is based on a survey of more than 480,000 Veteran patients who received VA health care in the past 90 days. Within one week of using VA services, these Veterans were asked whether they trusted VA for their health care needs across a variety of categories — including scheduling an appointment, health care visits, in-person pharmacy, mail-order pharmacy, labs/imaging, and Veteran safety. This survey mirrors the findings of recent independent studies. According to Medicare’s latest nationwide survey of patients, VA hospitals outperformed non-VA hospitals on all 10 core patient satisfaction metrics — including overall hospital rating, communication with doctors, communication about medication, willingness to recommend the hospital, and more. VA health care has also consistently outperformed non-VA care in peer-reviewed studies, overall quality ratings, and affordability for Veterans. The survey is internal, but independent pollsters like Pew Research also have vets with a positive view of the VA. Privatizing the VA, particularly when it provides specialized care that may not be easy to find in private practice (or more expensive) seems like really bad politics, to put it mildly. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Huh? The government would fund it. How does the VA function now lol. So essentially the new regime wants to replace the current system with something similar to Medicare and Medicaid and put an extra burden on a system that is already over taxed. Yet at the same time gut Medicare and Medicaid (you realize anything above basic Medicare is paid out of pocket or taken out of Social Security which the Republicans have wanted to scrap since LBJ) Makes sense to me. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) Even setting aside the politics of privatizing the VA, as the Speaker vote demonstrated yesterday, the margins for the GOP are *tight*.... zero room for error. I'm sure the strategy will be to carry a massive bill with every single Trump priority through reconciliation, and I'm sure he'll use all his political capital to get it across, but as a standalone item, a privatization of the VA wouldn't stand a chance in the House (and would probably have significant issues in the Senate tbh). The same probably holds for most of the things that "DOGE" wishes to cut. When you have a 220-215 majority in the House, just on math, you don't have a "mandate" Edited January 4 by mtutiger 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: So essentially the new regime wants to replace the current system with something similar to Medicare and Medicaid and put an extra burden on a system that is already over taxed. Yet at the same time gut Medicare and Medicaid (you realize anything above basic Medicare is paid out of pocket or taken out of Social Security which the Republicans have wanted to scrap since LBJ) Makes sense to me. It is not cheap to maintain VA facilities, staff, doctors equipment the list goes on. This plan would employ a small government department that manages claims submitted for payment. Just like private health care insurance providers do. They basically do all that now and still offer a decrepit VA hospital system. This would still be free to the veteran but cheaper to the government. You realize how much Medicaid costs? A person can literally get free healthcare in America if you eat yourself obese and qualify disabled they don’t pay out of pocket at all but use private healthcare freely. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 4 Posted January 4 18 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: It is not cheap to maintain VA facilities, staff, doctors equipment the list goes on. This plan would employ a small government department that manages claims submitted for payment. Just like private health care insurance providers do. They basically do all that now and still offer a decrepit VA hospital system. This would still be free to the veteran but cheaper to the government. You realize how much Medicaid costs? A person can literally get free healthcare in America if you eat yourself obese and qualify disabled they don’t pay out of pocket at all but use private healthcare freely. I'm on Medicare. You haven't addressed the problem in many areas, including here where we have many retired veterans as well as enlisted personal and associated workers, is that hospitals and doctors offices are often overwhelmed and obtaining an appointment can be difficult. Medicare is free, but adequate health care can be expensive. And one needs an add on insurance that comes out of your Social Security payment. Especially outside of routine services. Throw in the cost of prescriptions and it can be out of the reach of ordinary folks. One example, I have Interstitial Lung Disease, a progressive hardening of the lung sacs. I have not smoked in nearly 50 years and then only briefly. Up until 2024 my prescription was running nearly $700 a month out of pocket, once I met my deductible. Changes in 2024 surprised me and there was nothing once co-pay was met. Up until 2024 insulin costs were outrageous (I have diabetic relatives and lost a brother two years ago who had a kidney transplant in his early 30s, he was diabetic since his teens. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 4 Posted January 4 42 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: It is not cheap to maintain VA facilities, staff, doctors equipment the list goes on. This plan would employ a small government department that manages claims submitted for payment. Just like private health care insurance providers do. They basically do all that now and still offer a decrepit VA hospital system. This would still be free to the veteran but cheaper to the government. You realize how much Medicaid costs? A person can literally get free healthcare in America if you eat yourself obese and qualify disabled they don’t pay out of pocket at all but use private healthcare freely. BTW, I'm not criticizing the VA and understand there are issues there. I've heard good things about the Hospital in Ann Arbor. I am assuming there would be mixed reviews here in Hampton Roads/Richmond. My realistic concern is whether closing the facilities and issuing insurance/vouchers or whatever would cause too much strain on the current health care system. Just remember Medicare recipients no matter what their conditions are tend to vote Republican. You take away something they consider a right for decades and you lose a lot of votes. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I guess I don't see the point. The VA is a hospital system paid for by the gov. Medicare is a hospital system paid for by the gov. Both systems are large enough there is probably minimal economy of scale savings to combine them, and each is tailored to the constituency it serves. So what do you get by throwing the vets into the general public pool? If you close all the VA hospitals you are pushing an already limited national hospital capacity. If you convert them into the private system that has a lot of administrative transition cost associated. So just where is the beef here? This reminds me of the horror story I posted not too long ago about venture capitalists who bought a hospital system just to bleed it dry and take the profits on the real estate - IOW someone behind this push is looking at an ulterior profit motive they hope to cash in on and damn the public interest. 3 Quote
mtutiger Posted January 5 Posted January 5 @Tigeraholic1also elides the point (as has brought up multiple times now) that VA practitioners deal with medical conditions and issues that aren't always easy to obtain geographically or in a cost effective manner for vets among private practitioners. I'm gonna hazard a wild guess in saying that Donald Trump and Elon Musk probably haven't given any of this a second of thought Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 5 Posted January 5 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: @Tigeraholic1also elides the point (as has brought up multiple times now) that VA practitioners deal with medical conditions and issues that aren't always easy to obtain geographically or in a cost effective manner for vets among private practitioners. I'm gonna hazard a wild guess in saying that Donald Trump and Elon Musk probably haven't given any of this a second of thought I would wager no one in the soon to be Party in Control have given it any serious thought. All they want to do is cut taxes for the rich and F the middle class Quote
pfife Posted January 5 Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: It is not cheap to maintain VA facilities, staff, doctors equipment the list goes on. This plan would employ a small government department that manages claims submitted for payment. Just like private health care insurance providers do. They basically do all that now and still offer a decrepit VA hospital system. This would still be free to the veteran but cheaper to the government. You realize how much Medicaid costs? A person can literally get free healthcare in America if you eat yourself obese and qualify disabled they don’t pay out of pocket at all but use private healthcare freely. Lol private companies submit claims to a small government office? Bearing false witness again? Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 We have millions of illegals obtaining healthcare yet giving vets equal care will overwhelm the system. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Just now, Tigeraholic1 said: We have millions of illegals obtaining healthcare yet giving vets equal care will overwhelm the system. Citation please. Show your work Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 5 Posted January 5 A 22-year-old arrangement between the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Immigration and Customs Enforcement has drawn ire from conservatives in Congress, who claim it puts health care for detained migrants over that of veterans. But VA officials say it has no impact whatsoever on veterans' services or health care -- and costs the agency nothing. Since 2002, the VA's Financial Services Center, or FSC, has processed medical claims for an ICE program office that is responsible for providing health care for migrants detained by the border security agency. The VA center facilitates the same work under separate contracts for a variety of other federal offices. VA officials said Thursday that, while taxpayer funding is used to process the health care claims, ICE, not the VA, pays for the work. And, VA Press Secretary Terrence Hayes added, the VA has never provided health care to migrant detainees. "VA does not provide or fund any health care to ICE detainees. There is a 2002 payment processing agreement, in which ICE pays for the FSC to process payments for ICE-funded health care. This involves no more than 10 employees, is fully paid for by ICE, and has been in place for every administration since 2002," Hayes said in a statement to Military.com. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/11/va-paying-migrant-health-care-agency-says-no-despite-wave-of-political-attacks.html Quote
mtutiger Posted January 5 Posted January 5 16 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: ...yet giving vets equal care will overwhelm the system. As has been mentioned before (and as you have ignored), vets seem fine with the VA as is per per polling. Why change anything if the users like the end product? What's the benefit? Quote
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