kdog Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, oblong said: that trade proposal written by a Mets person or someone writing from that perspective? You don't trade Flaherty unless it makes the major league team better in 2024 and 2025. I'm done with prospects. That goes for Skubal too. Big test for Harris..If it's a Hao Yu Lee comp, people will not be happy. As we saw with Avila, you need to have the skill to gin up a trade market...Al did not. Edited June 24 by kdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 hours ago, oblong said: that trade proposal written by a Mets person or someone writing from that perspective? You don't trade Flaherty unless it makes the major league team better in 2024 and 2025. I'm done with prospects. That goes for Skubal too. It's Bowden, so ... yeah. I think Harris is looking for close-to-major-league-ready sticks. Maybe guys who can't help us so much this year, but for sure next year. I'd be surprised if he goes for a guy with a 2027 ETA or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 hours ago, chasfh said: It's Bowden, so ... yeah. I think Harris is looking for close-to-major-league-ready sticks. Maybe guys who can't help us so much this year, but for sure next year. I'd be surprised if he goes for a guy with a 2027 ETA or anything like that. I would like to see us acquire a 1B and or C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 19 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I would like to see us acquire a 1B and or C How about Jung at 2B, Keith at 1B, and sell Tork at the deadline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: How about Jung at 2B, Keith at 1B, and sell Tork at the deadline? Is it such a good idea to sell so low on Torkelson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, SeattleMike said: Is it such a good idea to sell so low on Torkelson? Addition by subtraction...😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I wouldn't trade Tork until at least the end of next year's spring training. Simply put: to see if the light bulb can turn on in Tork's head, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: Is it such a good idea to sell so low on Torkelson? Good question. This was my out of the box idea from a couple days ago, packaging him with Flaherty to goose the return on a deal. We wouldn’t take a bag of balls for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I still don't get Keith at 1st. Why make him learn yet another position. He also is one of the bottom hitting 2nd baseman so he should move to an even more premier hitting position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 15 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I still don't get Keith at 1st. Why make him learn yet another position. He also is one of the bottom hitting 2nd baseman so he should move to an even more premier hitting position? I don't like the idea just because I'm not seeing the problem with his play at 2b given his experience level there. They certainly expect him to improve as a hitter, so if you think he will achieve an OPS suitable for 1st that's one thing, but if he can achieve an OPS suitable for 1st and still learn to play 2nd, I'd still leave him there. It's been said here before, but people are getting into too much of a hurry, half a season is not much time to master a new position on the IF let alone do it as a rookie in the majors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) He'd have to improve a lot for his bat to even be average at first base. They'd be better off just letting Torkelson have a shot at it again next year. Edited June 25 by tiger2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, chasfh said: How about Jung at 2B, Keith at 1B, and sell Tork at the deadline? How much do we have to pay to have move Tork? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 As much as people want to give Al Avila equal (or even more!) credit for the eventual revival of the Tigers by dint of our still having guys on the team he acquired, I think what we will find is that almost all of them will be gone by 2027. We’ll definitely have Colt Keith, we’ll probably still have Riley Greene, and possibly Reese Olson, and maybe even Tarik Skubal if we can sign him. But it wouldn’t floor me to see practically all the rest gone, including perhaps Tork and Mize and Meadows, probably Perez and some bubble-40 guys like Campos and Workman and Flores, and certainly Manning and Kreidler and Baddoo and Rogers, and probably all of Avila’s relievers. All gone. Bookmark this post so you can lambast me, or the memory thereof, in 2-1/2 years. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 You forgot Jobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I don't think saying all the terrible players on the roster won't be on the team in 2-1/2 years is some revelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I don't think saying all the terrible players on the roster won't be on the team in 2-1/2 years is some revelation. I don’t know, there are a lot of people who post here who like to make predictions of future Tigers teams that invariably include all these guys we have in our system right now. So for them it would be a revelation, and maybe even one that offends them at that. No one likes to Adopt-a-Tiger who’s on the fast track to Nowheresville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 11 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: You forgot Jobe. Fair point. He’s likely to be here, too, provided he doesn’t spend two of the next three seasons on the List. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) The career of a mlb player is short and fleeting. Most of the offensive guys on the Tigers dont offer much to keep them. I know people hate Baez, but he at least plays great defense. I know he makes a lot of throwing errors but he also gets to about 100 balls a year more than most guys. Edited June 25 by tiger2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Javy's defense isn't great this year. It isn't even particularly good. That's what's going to make it easier to cut him before we carve the turkey after the Lions game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: Javy's defense isn't great this year. It isn't even particularly good. That's what's going to make it easier to cut him before we carve the turkey after the Lions game. after this season ends we owe him.....a mere $74M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 33 minutes ago, chasfh said: Javy's defense isn't great this year. It isn't even particularly good. That's what's going to make it easier to cut him before we carve the turkey after the Lions game. Two Thumbs UP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: after this season ends we owe him.....a mere $74M. Water under the bridge. Or spilt milk. Choose your metaphor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 44 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Water under the bridge. Or spilt milk. Choose your metaphor. I choose: Milk under the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 5 hours ago, tiger2022 said: The career of a mlb player is short and fleeting. Most of the offensive guys on the Tigers dont offer much to keep them. I know people hate Baez, but he at least plays great defense. I know he makes a lot of throwing errors but he also gets to about 100 balls a year more than most guys. baez doesnt play good defense anymore. the tigers will hope his injury is permanent so they can collect insurance on his contract rather than having to eat it all to get rid of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 5 hours ago, chasfh said: As much as people want to give Al Avila equal (or even more!) credit for the eventual revival of the Tigers by dint of our still having guys on the team he acquired, I think what we will find is that almost all of them will be gone by 2027. We’ll definitely have Colt Keith, we’ll probably still have Riley Greene, and possibly Reese Olson, and maybe even Tarik Skubal if we can sign him. But it wouldn’t floor me to see practically all the rest gone, including perhaps Tork and Mize and Meadows, probably Perez and some bubble-40 guys like Campos and Workman and Flores, and certainly Manning and Kreidler and Baddoo and Rogers, and probably all of Avila’s relievers. All gone. Bookmark this post so you can lambast me, or the memory thereof, in 2-1/2 years. 😁 what kind of delusional soul wants to give al avila credit for the tigers' eventual turnaround? even 84lives has given up that ghost. avila is the worst gm the tigers have had in my lifetime. at least randy smith didnt trade hall of famers for peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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