Toddwert Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 6 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: 3 spots on the 40 man roster open by my count unless I’m missing something. Any reason not to add Jung and call him up and let him run at 3B so we can use Vierling more in LF/CF to help spell Riley? besides he sucks at third .893 fielding % Edited July 31 by Toddwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, Toddwert said: besides he sucks at third .893 fielding % In fairness, he’s learning the position. Might benefit from the major league coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 hours ago, syrett4 said: What are the rules regarding the moves they can still make? Does anyone have clarity on the rules after the deadline? Some guys on MLB teams should be DFA/reassigned today and exposing them to waiver claims (Eddys Leonard last season) 2006 Sean Casey, and I think they can still trade minor league guys not on the 40 man? Am I wrong about that? Am I missing another way they can still acquire talent this season? Waiver traded were banned a few years ago. Only players not on the 40 man can be dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 i personally miss the waiver trade period. i liked teams putting everybody on waivers and seeing what happened 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 16 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: In fairness, he’s learning the position. Might benefit from the major league coaching. for as much as people complain, Keith is probably going better at 2nd than Jung is at 3rd. I don't think that is how the Tiger brain trust thought it was going to go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 seems as though they have 2 guys who maybe can't play 3rd, but both can be acceptable at 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Hinch will find a spot for anybody who can hit. He can find a spot for guys who can't hit at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 42 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Hinch will find a spot for anybody who can hit. He can find a spot for guys who can't hit at all. That's the problem with GMs who force their players on a manager. It's very common... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: In fairness, he’s learning the position. Might benefit from the major league coaching. And the better stadium lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 21 hours ago, 4hzglory said: One thing in favor of him being on opening day roster is the potential draft pick bonus if he’d win ROY. If they think he’s ready, I think they figure out his innings in Detroit for that possibility alone. That’s true, but I’m more interested in him being ready for the quality of batters he’ll face and lasting the season without burning out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1984Echoes Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 11 hours ago, kdog said: ... Harris strategy of over-asking and waiting till the end is an issue for me. ... So did DD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Jung would definitely be behind McKinstrey. Hinch loves that guy for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papalawrence Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Not sure if anyone else saw a sobering stat on mlbtv - over the past decade approx 600 prospects have been traded. About 11% of them have been contributors at the mlb level, and 3% have been impact players. Looks like the rebuild will take at least 2-3 more years. Been a fan for 52 years, but fan fatigue has set in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, papalawrence said: Not sure if anyone else saw a sobering stat on mlbtv - over the past decade approx 600 prospects have been traded. About 11% of them have been contributors at the mlb level, and 3% have been impact players. Looks like the rebuild will take at least 2-3 more years. Been a fan for 52 years, but fan fatigue has set in I'm there with ya, 55 years here, but maybe we give the new guy a chance before we throw in the towel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Looking at the MLB 30 ranking with Smith, Campos, Santana, Graham and Mattison taking the last five spots. All but Mattison were top 15 a year or two ago with expectations they could take that leap. Now it's looking possible but unlikely for the 5 and a few will drop off when the drafts picks are added. Anyway, I tried to remember who got dropped when the trade deadline prospects were added. Can't recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, papalawrence said: Not sure if anyone else saw a sobering stat on mlbtv - over the past decade approx 600 prospects have been traded. About 11% of them have been contributors at the mlb level, and 3% have been impact players. Looks like the rebuild will take at least 2-3 more years. Been a fan for 52 years, but fan fatigue has set in So statistically, Avila did good on the Verlander trade. 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I'm there with ya, 55 years here, but maybe we give the new guy a chance before we throw in the towel. Even the good ones don't generally have high success rates in trading proven players for prospects at the deadline though. It's better to get something than nothing, but the teams receiving the proven players usually have the upper hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 52 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Even the good ones don't generally have high success rates in trading proven players for prospects at the deadline though. It's better to get something than nothing, but the teams receiving the proven players usually have the upper hand. The Tigers have actually hit on a fair number of these deals (Candelario, Paredes, Lange, Olson, Sawyer-Long, Rogers) and yet they can't seem to solve the issues that keep putting them into sell mode. One can hope that next year is last of these deadline deal player dumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papalawrence Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Even the good ones don't generally have high success rates in trading proven players for prospects at the deadline though. It's better to get something than nothing, but the teams receiving the proven players usually have the upper hand. DD understands this better than most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 5 minutes ago, papalawrence said: DD understands this better than most DD could have been forgiven for trading prospects if he had done the companion work to get the scouting, drafting, and development science deployed to the minor league system so that the Tigers' pipeline would replenish after his trades. It wasn't the trades themselves as much as his lack of attention to the development end. The system didn't have to be barren just because he had traded a few guys. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 For all the talk of how DD left the farm system barren, I think the real discussion is how he left the Avila regime plenty of assets to be used to restock the farm only for Avila to absolutely piss it all away. McCann/Miggy/Kinsler/Iglesias/Castellanos/JD/V-Mart/Verlander/Sanchez/K-Rod/Alex Wilson/etc. Got turned into a whole lot of nothing. If we didn’t waffle around those first few years of the Avila regime and actually committed to a strategy, maybe we could’ve restocked the farm system appropriately. On top of squandering the assets we had by either settling for less in trades or just letting guys walk, the draft strategy sucked too. From 2016-2019 we drafted a grand total of 5 players that we got to the big leagues. DD drafts were regularly getting us 2-4 per year. Harris already has appeared to draft a lot better than Avila did, and has actually taken measures to improve our minor league facilities and international scouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 13 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I think the real discussion is how he left the Avila regime plenty of assets to be used to restock the farm only for Avila to absolutely piss it all away. But Detroit's system was miles behind in data, tech, training, coaching, International, everything. Avila wasting all the team's current assets was undoubted huge. But it was not the only thing that left them in a hole for so long. How many more picks might have turned into something and helped the Tigers avoid the length and depth of this collapse we'll never know. Not that Al exactly got much fixed very well, but he at least recognized the problem and has to be giving credit for beginning the move to modernity, and also getting the owner on board with that being the needed direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I think Mike is just as much to blame as Avila for how things went. It wasn't Avila's decision to sell guys in 2015 only to then turn around and "go for it" and sign guys like Upton and Zimmermann. Mike didn't decide to throw in the towel until JV was at his lowest value, JD was a rental and Kinsler was past his prime. Knowing Avila we still wouldn't have gotten anything but if he could've went full rebuild after 2015 and traded JD with 2 full years of control, Kinsler with 2 more years of control and coming off a 3rd straight 5 WAR season and a younger JV he certainly would've gotten a better return. Whether those guys would've panned out is another story but I can almost guarantee that there would've been much more demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 On 7/31/2024 at 3:47 PM, monkeytargets39 said: 3 spots on the 40 man roster open by my count unless I’m missing something. Any reason not to add Jung and call him up and let him run at 3B so we can use Vierling more in LF/CF to help spell Riley? I'd like to see Jung too but he's not rule 5 eligible until December 2025. There's going to be limited spots on the 40 man roster this winter so I doubt we'll see him. After Guenther and Hanifee were called up today, it looks like we'll see fringe guys getting opportunities. Guys who are minor league free agents if they're not on the roster. Not exciting, but Harris has been trying to retain people like this all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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