lordstanley Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just now, IdahoBert said: I should never trust Elon Musk’s cluster blank disinformation platform. Trust the Yzerplan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Is Lirzano going to take over for Tork? Thayron Liranzo TLDR A below-average arm stands in the way of Liranzo catching. He might have enough power to profile at first if he can't. Full Report Liranzo still has too much to clean up on defense for us to feel comfortable stuffing him on the Top 100. When he can actually get a throw to the bag off, his Patrick Bailey-style sidearm release works ok, but he so often botches or fumbles his exchange that he doesn't give himself a chance to get the runner. Liranzo mostly utilizes a traditional crouch when receiving and is a below-average framer and ball-blocker. Both those skills are more tenable and within the range of big league viability than his arm, but at Liranzo's size and age, it's no guarantee they'll stay that way. There is huge switch-hitting power here — Liranzo hit 24 bombs in the Cal League, hit a ball 114 mph, and had a 48% hard-hit rate last year. He can hit for power from the left side even when he isn't taking his best swing, and he's dangerous from the right side even though he uses super conservative footwork, generating everything with a shift in his weight and the strength of his hands. Liranzo doesn't have great feel for the barrel, which is typical for a young a switch-hitter, let alone one of atypical size. His 65% contact rate is below the threshold of any 2023 big league first baseman (Bryce Harper's was at 68%, the next lowest was 72%), so there's substantial Quad-A risk here if Liranzo can't catch. Whether or not he stays back there is the difference between Cal Raleigh and M.J. Melendez from a production standpoint. Arm strength is perhaps a little less teachable than other issues young catchers often need to fix, which is worrisome in this case. He has a little more minor league experience than some of the other prospects who present a combination of extreme ceiling and risk, and Liranzo's high-end outcomes are driving his placement here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Rollercoaster Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just now, TJ Rollercoaster said: Canha traded to the Giants From MLBTradeRumors.com 6:11pm: Pitching prospect Eric Silva heads back to Detroit, per Kiley McDaniel of ESPN (on X). 6:10pm: The Tigers are trading outfielder Mark Canha to the Giants, reports Robert Murray of FanSided (X link). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I would rather give Sweeney a chance than keep turning to Kreidler. Is Kenta going back to the rotation now? My guess would be yes. When is Olson going on the 60 ? Maybe this team needs to evaluate their training staff. The team seems to be falling apart by the day. Harris better have a better offseason than last year. Seriously, what is the rotation now? Skubal Bullpen Day Sammons Montero Bullpen Day This year is such a failure.........especially having to watch KC pass us. This is still on Avila but not much longer, this is the last year we can pin it on him, but he had 2 1/1 picks and they are both looking like busts now. Torkelson looks like Eric Munson Carpenter with the lingering back thing, just like Andy Dirks, who never played again Greene hurt......again MIze hurt..........again Manning falling apart Kenta being a gas can Javy checked out, but team is too scared to just pay him off and for some unknown reason only invested in a SS at the trade deadline. Bummer Summer for 8 years in a row in Tigertown. Other teams fell after we did and have now passed us on the way up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: Is Lirzano going to take over for Tork? Thayron Liranzo TLDR A below-average arm stands in the way of Liranzo catching. He might have enough power to profile at first if he can't. Full Report Liranzo still has too much to clean up on defense for us to feel comfortable stuffing him on the Top 100. When he can actually get a throw to the bag off, his Patrick Bailey-style sidearm release works ok, but he so often botches or fumbles his exchange that he doesn't give himself a chance to get the runner. Liranzo mostly utilizes a traditional crouch when receiving and is a below-average framer and ball-blocker. Both those skills are more tenable and within the range of big league viability than his arm, but at Liranzo's size and age, it's no guarantee they'll stay that way. There is huge switch-hitting power here — Liranzo hit 24 bombs in the Cal League, hit a ball 114 mph, and had a 48% hard-hit rate last year. He can hit for power from the left side even when he isn't taking his best swing, and he's dangerous from the right side even though he uses super conservative footwork, generating everything with a shift in his weight and the strength of his hands. Liranzo doesn't have great feel for the barrel, which is typical for a young a switch-hitter, let alone one of atypical size. His 65% contact rate is below the threshold of any 2023 big league first baseman (Bryce Harper's was at 68%, the next lowest was 72%), so there's substantial Quad-A risk here if Liranzo can't catch. Whether or not he stays back there is the difference between Cal Raleigh and M.J. Melendez from a production standpoint. Arm strength is perhaps a little less teachable than other issues young catchers often need to fix, which is worrisome in this case. He has a little more minor league experience than some of the other prospects who present a combination of extreme ceiling and risk, and Liranzo's high-end outcomes are driving his placement here. That seems like a less than glowing report on his defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just now, casimir said: That seems like a less than glowing report on his defense. Sounds like an Avila-esque deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Are the Tigers just going to have 3 starters and 10 bullpen guys? Seems like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Probably will be some discards after all these trades that we can pick up on the cheap as rotation filler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tiger2022 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) It was fun watching Flaherty pitch for half a season but he's off to a quality organization so we should all be happy for him. Edited July 30 by tiger2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LongLiveMaroth Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: Yay! More guys that are bad at hitting pitching. I am shocked you didn't like the deal. You are always so positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 Lirazano was one of the Dodger's selections for the futures game this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/dodgers-acquire-jack-flaherty-from-tigers-for-prospects-thayron-liranzo-trey-sweeney/ a review on the Flaherty trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, LongLiveMaroth said: I am shocked you didn't like the deal. You are always so positive. Not everyone can get a mouth full of sh*t and claim it tastes delicious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, IdahoBert said: This whole thing has turned out to be like a very bad Christmas where you think you’re getting a new bike and instead you get new underwear. "I NEVER LEFT...........I'M STILL CALLING THE SHOTS, I'M JUST HIDING SO PEOPLE WOULD STOP BEING MEAN TO ME" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Was Liranzo the only top 100 prospect traded this deadline? There hadn’t been any as of this afternoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 we didnt get jackson holliday for jack flaherty. oh no. you guys are ridiculous. that's a decent return for an oft-injured rental starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, buddha said: we didnt get jackson holliday for jack flaherty. oh no. you guys are ridiculous. that's a decent return for an oft-injured rental starter. its hard to know what the future is or whatever other offers were but it seems OK nothing to blow you away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 17 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Sounds like an Avila-esque deal. Maybe, but remember this is just a rental on a guy with some back issues so I'm not expecting the sun moon and stars... just the moon, and maybe one or two smaller stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Sweeny as our new McStinky that hopefully is better ? Liranzo has power which is valuable, a switch hitter which is plus and a good first baseman that can also catch. Seems better than a supplemental draft pick. Not sure if it's as good as what Toronto got for Kuchi-san. Maybe Jack's back lessened the take. "feels" like Harris wanted something else that evaporated and he pivoted to plan B at the last minute. But I don't know. Just guessing here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 minutes ago, buddha said: we didnt get jackson holliday for jack flaherty. oh no. you guys are ridiculous. that's a decent return for an oft-injured rental starter. Flaherty has had back issues for some time. I think Liranzo and Sweeney are fair for Flaherty. Liranzo, is the Tork insurance policy, and Sweeney is a reasonable inf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 othet than getting screwed by flaky Erod, harris hasnt done anything objectionable yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just now, HeyAbbott said: Flaherty has had back issues for some time. I think Liranzo and Sweeney are fair for Flaherty. Liranzo, is the Tork insurance policy, and Sweeney is a reasonable inf. exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrett4 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Someone posted that it seems Harris has targets he wants to go after and then zeroes in on them, unlike AA who enjoyed more lottery tickets. I'm still willing to trust Harris with Malloy, Lee, flipping Flaherty/Canha/Lorenzen/Kelly, Ibanez, Vierling. He has improved the minor league system, scouting and coaching, I'm willing to give him more time to see what he can develop in a year or two. He infused more young talent at this deadline and his first draft is already filtering into A+ with teenagers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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