Tigermojo Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, casimir said: Someone in the Tigers’ clubhouse pre first pitch: “Hey guys, those MTFers want more!” Javy Baez loves reading my critiques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 56 minutes ago, IdahoBert said: I have lowered my expectations to five runs. Shrinkflation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Montero just turned 24 years of age two days ago. It would be huge if he could be a reliable starter going forward. I’m not expecting anything from Manning from here on out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJim Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I'm pretty sure the Indians didn't get a guy to 2nd base tonight. Nice. I thought Hinch was completely nuts for putting Miller in. Kudos to Miller for getting the job done. Hinch hates Ibanez. Great job Montero! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 12 hours ago, chasfh said: Don't look now, but Isaac Paredes was also named to the All-Star team. Such a Tigers beat reporter thing to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Isaac (along with Suarez and Adames) is why I don't want to see us get rid of Wenceel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 20 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Isaac (along with Suarez and Adames) is why I don't want to see us get rid of Wenceel Add Willi to that mix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Add Willi to that mix Imagine a few years ago someone saying CastroW might be an all star one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 After how he hit in the COVID year I thought Willi had All Star potential....atleast with the bat. His seemingly lack of position/defense was something that I figured could hold him back but offensively I thought he was capable of doing what he is this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 7 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: After how he hit in the COVID year I thought Willi had All Star potential....atleast with the bat. His seemingly lack of position/defense was something that I figured could hold him back but offensively I thought he was capable of doing what he is this year. Tony Phillips type of player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 multi-position switch hitters with speed are easy to roster, even if they don't get better, like Willi has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I'm not doing the revisionist history on Willi. The last two years in Detroit he had a 73 and 86 OPS+. He also wasn't good defensively at any position. I'll credit him and the Twins for improving his contact rate and power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, casimir said: Imagine a few years ago someone saying CastroW might be an all star one day. I didn't imagine Willi being an All-Star, but I defended keeping him before he was let go last year. I'm thinking there was something more than just his evaluated potential or even his numbers at play in the decision. Same with Jeimer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: I didn't imagine Willi being an All-Star, but I defended keeping him before he was let go last year. I'm thinking there was something more than just his evaluated potential or even his numbers at play in the decision. Same with Jeimer. I won't even blame Harris for it. He looked at the '21 and '22 numbers and figured the guy wasn't ever going to find consistency. His non-tender was probably a transition cost of changing regimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, kdog said: I'm not doing the revisionist history on Willi. The last two years in Detroit he had a 73 and 86 OPS+. He also wasn't good defensively at any position. I'll credit him and the Twins for improving his contact rate and power. I don't think that's true defensively. He was at least a slightly plus defender at more than one position. But he did obviously have the potential to be unlocked offensively, and the Twins figured that out, mostly by getting him to be patient at the plate. I know people hate everything about the Tigers' hitting coaches here, but they do practice patience at the plate, so I think Willi could have done that here, too. And of course, with the bigger bases, the Twins let Willi loose and now he's a 20-30 steals guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, kdog said: I won't even blame Harris for it. He looked at the '21 and '22 numbers and figured the guy wasn't ever going to find consistency. His non-tender was probably a transition cost of changing regimes. I'm not sure Harris should escape blame. That does fall under his radar of transactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, kdog said: I won't even blame Harris for it. He looked at the '21 and '22 numbers and figured the guy wasn't ever going to find consistency. His non-tender was probably a transition cost of changing regimes. I don't know, I'm having trouble imagining that I saw something in Willi (and Jeimer) going forward that Scott Harris didn't. That's whhy I'm thinking it must be more than a pure performance evaluation that doomed him here. I wonder whether what factored into the decision was some combination of the press relentlessly hammering the Tigers on Willi and Jeimer and ownership wanting it to stop; and that maybe Willi and Jeimer were not the right kind of clubhouse guys, since this is an characteristic Harris is explicitly seeking, for better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, casimir said: I'm not sure Harris should escape blame. That does fall under his radar of transactions. Or maybe Harris just ****ed up on both of them. That's a possibility, too. Maybe I should be PBO instead! 🤪 Edited July 9 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, casimir said: I'm not sure Harris should escape blame. That does fall under his radar of transactions. Willi's projected arbitration salary was $1.7 million for 2023. It's also possible that Harris was given the indication from Hinch and staff that Willi was never going to get it. Additionally, the Tigers hitting staff might not have unlocked what the Twins did. Harris saw the projected salary for tendering Willi and decided to go with someone else. This is a small move IMO and I'm not going to kill Harris for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don't know, I'm having trouble imagining that I saw something in Willi (and Jeimer) going forward that Scott Harris didn't. That's whhy I'm thinking it must be more than a pure performance evaluation that doomed him here. I wonder whether what factored into the decision was some combination of the press relentlessly hammering the Tigers on Willi and Jeimer and ownership wanting it to stop; and that maybe Willi and Jeimer were not the right kind of clubhouse guys, since this is an characteristic Harris is explicitly seeking, for better or worse. Hinch and his 2022 hitting staff was likely the primary information source on Willi. If they didn't want him, Harris saw it as an easy non-tender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, kdog said: Hinch and his 2022 hitting staff was likely the primary information source on Willi. If they didn't want him, Harris saw it as an easy non-tender. You may be right, although given his embrace of data science, it would frankly shock me to learn that Harris let Willi go because a hitting coach said words. Another possibly explanation I've yet to contemplate is that the data science Harris relied on at the time was flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 16 hours ago, Tigermojo said: Go away Javy Baez So, DFA him and back to Krediler and McKinstry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, chasfh said: So, DFA him and back to Krediler and McKinstry? I praised him for his double so I had to comment on his double play too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Javy made some plays last night early on that I'm not sure another person we'd have put out there would have made. In a 1-0 game that matters. Javy giveth and taketh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, kdog said: Willi's projected arbitration salary was $1.7 million for 2023. It's also possible that Harris was given the indication from Hinch and staff that Willi was never going to get it. Additionally, the Tigers hitting staff might not have unlocked what the Twins did. Harris saw the projected salary for tendering Willi and decided to go with someone else. This is a small move IMO and I'm not going to kill Harris for it. The Twins signed him to a minor league deal. That shows you what the league thought of him. The Twins have been living right lately. The Correa free agent deal (with SF?) falling through and WC suddenly turning into an All-Star? Fans don't appreciate the luck factor enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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