LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?

[Motor City Sonics]

Carlos Correa.................Dodgers?    Phillies?  Yankees?  

[oblong]

How does the mechanics of a vote work? I assume previous proposals were voted on by everyone or does the exec community have the ability to not even let it get that far?  If they can "block" it then how did an 0-8 proposal get to the players?  We might be overthinking it.  I mentioned before a good cop/bad cop scenario.  The exec committee is just doing it's job and if they think the deal is still bad they can't in good conscience recommend a vote in favor but at the end of the day the players decide.    It's sort of like an agent to an actor.  THey could say "I don't think you should do the role for the lead in Police Academy 8 that's going to stream on Tubi over a minor role in this new marvel movie" but the actor can't resist the paycheck or other perk they might see.  

 

 

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Carlos Correa.................Dodgers?    Phillies?  Yankees?  

Astros. 

[chasfh]

No free agents came off the board last night, which makes sense, because that might suggest that teams and players/agents have been in touch during the lockout, which is a (legal?) no-no and would’ve been hard to explain away. We should start seeing movement probably today, right?

[RedRamage]

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The league also succeeded in its desire to add advertising patches to player uniforms, which will generate tens of millions in revenue itself.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/mlb-mlbpa-reach-new-collective-bargaining-agreement.html

Can't say that this makes me happy.  🤢

[Motor City Sonics]

What is the roster breakdown going to be at the start.............11 players, 15 pitchers?     12/14.    There's no way pitchers are going to throw more than 60 pitches in the first month or so..........

[Tiger337]

7 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

What is the roster breakdown going to be at the start.............11 players, 15 pitchers?     12/14.    There's no way pitchers are going to throw more than 60 pitches in the first month or so..........

There is going to be a 13-pitcher cap on pitchers this year.  I haven't heard whether that will be waived in the first couple of weeks.  

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

There is going to be a 13-pitcher cap on pitchers this year.  I haven't heard whether that will be waived in the first couple of weeks.  

does that must mean more guys get shuttled back and forth the minors?

[Motor City Sonics]

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

There is going to be a 13-pitcher cap on pitchers this year.  I haven't heard whether that will be waived in the first couple of weeks.  

I think teams should be allowed to carry 28 players and 15 pitchers in the first month.     I know guys work out year-round now, but I am really really worried about pitchers, especially young pitchers, like ours.  

[Motor City Sonics]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

does that must mean more guys get shuttled back and forth the minors?

yeah, but now we have this limit of call up/send downs that makes that really tricky too.   they have to expand the rosters.  they are asking for trouble.    spring training is going to be three weeks?   how many exhibition games,  10?  

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

does that must mean more guys get shuttled back and forth the minors?

Probably, although 13 seems sufficient in most situations.  Early this season , they may need more pitchers.  I believe they can call up another player for doubleheaders.  

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

How does the mechanics of a vote work? I assume previous proposals were voted on by everyone or does the exec community have the ability to not even let it get that far?  If they can "block" it then how did an 0-8 proposal get to the players?  We might be overthinking it.  I mentioned before a good cop/bad cop scenario.  The exec committee is just doing it's job and if they think the deal is still bad they can't in good conscience recommend a vote in favor but at the end of the day the players decide.    It's sort of like an agent to an actor.  THey could say "I don't think you should do the role for the lead in Police Academy 8 that's going to stream on Tubi over a minor role in this new marvel movie" but the actor can't resist the paycheck or other perk they might see.  

 

 

Don't know the rule of the MLBPA but in my experience in other unionized businesses I have been around in strikes that is the normal setup: the executive committee decides whether proposals go to the membership or not. The longer a strike goes on the dynamic will shift and executive committees will face more pressure to submit proposals to the membership they might not approve themselves. Of course the players union is small enough and modern communication good enough that there is really not much excuse for Clark's people to get that far off the sense of their membership. (Back in the day before the internet they used "phone chains" as the informal polling method - for instance there is list distributed in the beginning and when there is news to spread, you get a call and then are supposed to call two other people.....)

Edited March 11, 2022 by gehringer_2

[IdahoBert]

47 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

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The league also succeeded in its desire to add advertising patches to player uniforms, which will generate tens of millions in revenue itself.

Ay, caramba como en el fútbol?

[IdahoBert]

I had honestly given up and stopped following the news on the CBA and was on the verge of burning my baseball paraphernalia, rubbing the ashes all over my body and walking through the streets shouting “Woe, woe, the End is near!” I’m glad I didn’t do that. 

[Motor City Sonics]

53 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/mlb-mlbpa-reach-new-collective-bargaining-agreement.html

Can't say that this makes me happy.  🤢

Do you watch NBA games?      It's barely noticeable.   I would hope it's a patch on the arm instead of the front of the jersey  

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, IdahoBert said:

I had honestly given up and stopped following the news on the CBA and was on the verge of burning my baseball paraphernalia, rubbing the ashes all over my body and walking through the streets shouting “Woe, woe, the End is near!” I’m glad I didn’t do that. 

no doubt, but I think the neighbors would still appreciated it if you take down the effigies of Clark and Manfred hanging in your front yard.... 

[IdahoBert]

I will be glad not to play the same damn teams in our division over and over again. And if part of the price I have to pay to get that is to play more interleague games I can live with that. 

[Tiger337]

I wonder how much playing teams fewer times will help pitchers.  If they play every team in the other league only once that is a whole bunch of teams that will see the same pitchers only once.  

[IdahoBert]

I’m glad the DH will be universal. For me, celebrating a pitcher’s AB is the equivalent of applauding Jim Crow, lynchings, and book burnings. 

[casimir]

26 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Do you watch NBA games?      It's barely noticeable.   I would hope it's a patch on the arm instead of the front of the jersey  

True.  But have they mentioned what the dimensions on the MLB jersey & helmet adverts will be?

[casimir]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

No free agents came off the board last night, which makes sense, because that might suggest that teams and players/agents have been in touch during the lockout, which is a (legal?) no-no and would’ve been hard to explain away. We should start seeing movement probably today, right?

Collusion.

[gehringer_2]

I like that the playoff system has more incentive for having the best record - division winners with the two best records get byes, third winner has to play in the wild card round.

[casimir]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

I like that the playoff system has more incentive for having the best record - division winners with the two best records get byes, third winner has to play in the wild card round.

But it only rewards division winners.  It doesn't reward a situation like last season where the Dodgers won 106 games were seeded worse than the Brewers (90 wins) and the Braves (88 wins) because of geography (Giants, 107 wins).

Seed the teams according to winning percentage.  1 & 2 get byes, 3 vs 6, and 4 vs 5.  Then rerack things for the next round like the NFL does it instead of having the rigid bracket that they are planning on.

[Motor City Sonics]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I like that the playoff system has more incentive for having the best record - division winners with the two best records get byes, third winner has to play in the wild card round.

Maybe setting things up to go back to 4 divisions.   If they aren't going to emphasize divisional rivalries as much, then why not.   I think you can have 8 teams in one and 7 in the other and be just fine.   There is the idea of expanding, but I can't see any kind of expansion right now until Oakland and Tampa Bay resolve their issues.    I think the A's are headed to Las Vegas (Portland won't support a major league team, plus that city is a total political mess).   The weaker Canadian dollar hurts the chance of Montreal getting a team.   So other than Vegas what do you have?   Nashville, which I think would be a great spot for a team and then it gets pretty thin after that.   The Cardinals and Reds are not going to allow a team in Indianapolis.  Ditto with the Yankees, Mets and Phillies allowing a team in New Jersey.   I don't know how viable Charlotte is and as much as I think Austin, Texas could support a team, the Rangers and Astros will stop it.   I think it's more likely the A's move to Vegas and the Rays move to Nashville than both of those teams staying where they are.   

[Motor City Sonics]

7 minutes ago, casimir said:

But it only rewards division winners.  It doesn't reward a situation like last season where the Dodgers won 106 games were seeded worse than the Brewers (90 wins) and the Braves (88 wins) because of geography (Giants, 107 wins).

Seed the teams according to winning percentage.  1 & 2 get byes, 3 vs 6, and 4 vs 5.  Then rerack things for the next round like the NFL does it instead of having the rigid bracket that they are planning on.

Well the Dodgers went further than the Giants. 

Plus there is the argument that having a bye might not be a good thing.    We always felt it hurt the 2006 Tigers to be idle so long before the World Series.