LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?

[chasfh]

 

 

[Longgone]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The revenue sharing suit is the bigger issue and directly addresses the issue of tanking.

 

There's no such thing as tanking.

[chasfh]

lol

[Hongbit]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

 

Intriguing thought.

Welcome to the show Tork and Greene 

[ben9753]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

 

Intriguing thought.

I agree, monetary incentives should not be tied to subjective and ill defined awards. Would make more sense to tie it to some combination of WAR and other stats. Of course the value of those stats are somewhat subjective, but at least they are well defined and not subject to writers emotional like or dislike for certain players/teams. 

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, ben9753 said:

I agree, monetary incentives should not be tied to subjective and ill defined awards. Would make more sense to tie it to some combination of WAR and other stats. Of course the value of those stats are somewhat subjective, but at least they are well defined and not subject to writers emotional like or dislike for certain players/teams. 

I don't disagree with the basic idea of using performance metrics to determine bonuses or ever service time, necessarily, although WAR is not well-defined enough to use, I don't think. There are at least three different versions of it, including one that's not even called "WAR", and both B-Ref and FG are on record opposing its use.

[Motor City Sonics]

Did they do anything about the shift? 

[Motor City Sonics]

4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Welcome to the show Tork and Greene 

What if Tork and Greene look overmatched in the 9 game exhibition season? 

[chasfh]

 

 

[chasfh]

As expected.

https://twitter.com/jjcoop36/status/1502039231086178308?s=20&t=dcHk23_CQApgRwribgjKbw

[chasfh]

Hey, now this could be interesting.

 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

 

 

Could it be that the 8 are very highly paid?    Max Scherzer, Francisco Lindor, Marcus Semien, Gerrit Cole................they are half the committee, right?   

[sabretooth]

19 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Hey, now this could be interesting.

 

 

LOL....takes an oligarch to know one I guess.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, sabretooth said:

LOL....takes an oligarch to know one I guess.

Bernie Sanders is an oligarch?

[chasfh]

Boooo to no more Game 163.

 

 

[Tigeraholic1]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Bernie Sanders is an oligarch?

No he is a man of the people. The only difference is he has 2-3 mansions stashed through the country.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

No he is a man of the people. The only difference is he has 2-3 mansions stashed through the country.

lol "mansions"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8025835/Take-peak-best-known-millionaire-socialist-Bernie-Sanders-three-homes.html

Daily Mail is up in arms about it tho

Seriously I had no idea about the state of his wealth either way. But sure, let's talk about Bernie. That should take our minds off MLB's antitrust exemption.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, 4hzglory said:

No more 7 inning double headers or runners on 2nd to start extra innings.

Good!  Starting innings with runners at second base was not baseball.  

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

lol "mansions"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8025835/Take-peak-best-known-millionaire-socialist-Bernie-Sanders-three-homes.html

Daily Mail is up in arms about it tho

Seriously I had no idea about the state of his wealth either way. But sure, let's talk about Bernie. That should take our minds off MLB's antitrust exemption.

Three houses for two million is more than anyone needs, but they aren't mansions.  Those are averaged priced houses in some areas.  

[Tiger337]

20 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Boooo to no more Game 163.

 

 

There have been many historic game 163's.  I hate to see it go for some lame tie breaker scenario.  

Edited March 10, 2022 by Tiger337

[Tigeraholic1]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

lol "mansions"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8025835/Take-peak-best-known-millionaire-socialist-Bernie-Sanders-three-homes.html

Daily Mail is up in arms about it tho

Seriously I had no idea about the state of his wealth either way. But sure, let's talk about Bernie. That should take our minds off MLB's antitrust exemption.

Hmm Forbes or the Daily Caller, you be the judge…..

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/04/12/how-bernie-sanders-the-socialist-senator-amassed-a-25-million-fortune/?sh=5b9f4d636bfa

[RatkoVarda]

what is the effect of the 0-8 players' committee vote? does it carry any weight? or is it meant to be informative?

interesting that only Andrew Miller is unsigned and only Miller and Jason Castro are not signed to HUGE deals of the 8.

edit

Passan said vote was  26-12

The final vote by the MLBPA's eight members of the executive subcommittee and 30 player reps was 26-12 in favor of the agreement, sources told ESPN.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2022 by RatkoVarda

[KL2]

3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

what is the effect of the 0-8 players' committee vote? does it carry any weight? or is it meant to be informative?

interesting that only Andrew Miller is unsigned and only Miller and Jason Castro are not signed to HUGE deals of the 8.

 

 

 

Oh there are a million effects.

Those players could be removed from their union positions. 

The players might have egg on their face when people start to ask could this have all been solved on 2 weeks but these guys were being a pain and held everything uap, alone.

In the future, it's clear these 8 want something different from the rank and file. How do the owner negotiate with that. Knowing this group wants x and that group wants y. 

[RatkoVarda]

hard for someone like Niko Goodrum or Jose Urena to get elected to an executive position when they may not have a 40-man spot.

there is value in having Max and Cole speak to fans and media as well

but 0-8 and 26-4 does show a chasm

 

[Tigeraholic1]