NFL Comments for 2024

[number20]

16 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Current QBR has Kyler Murray and Jordan Love ranked higher than Jared Goff.    Not sure it’s worth very much.  

Make whatever final decisions you’d like about Caleb Williams after year one.   History tells us it’s usually a very poor indicator of future QB success.   

Not a fan

 

[Hongbit]

29 minutes ago, number20 said:

Not a fan

 

All good.  He’s the Bears QB. That in itself is enough to justify not liking him.  

[number20]

32 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

All good.  He’s the Bears QB. That in itself is enough to justify not liking him.  

👍

[Klondike]

1 hour ago, number20 said:

Not a fan

 

I remember Charley Batch for the Lions one year had the highest qbr for the season in one game and maybe all time at near 100%. He went like 13-16 for 180 yards!

 

Just this week, Jackson for the Ravens had a 99+% qbr while going 15-18 for 260. On the other hand Joe Burrow went 39-49 for 415 and 5 td's and 0 int. yet his qbr was in the 70's. It's just a nerdy metric founded on the faults of the qb rating system. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Klondike

[number20]

12 minutes ago, Klondike said:

I remember Charley Batch for the Lions one year had the highest qbr for the season in one game and maybe all time at near 100%. He went like 13-16 for 180 yards!

 

Just this week, Jackson for the Ravens had a 99+% qbr while going 15-18 for 260. On the other hand Joe Burrow went 39-49 for 415 and 5 td's and 0 int. yet his qbr was in the 70's. It's just a nerdy metric founded on the faults of the qb rating system. 

Not a fan

 

[RandyMarsh]

QBR is better than raw QB rating but like all stats has it's flaws. For instance they put alot of weight on game situation, which is fair but also doesn't make it even across the board cause if your a QB that gets to play in more close games with more high leverage plays you're going to get rewarded more vs. a guy who's team plays in more blowouts(like Goff). 

Also it factors in strength of defense, which again is fair and again makes it hard to compare guys cause if you play well against a bad defense that doesn't mean that your performance wouldn't have been the same if the defense is better, and like game situation if you happen to be a QB who plays more games against tough defenses you are going to get rewarded more.

To me though like all QB stats it doesn't account for the mental side of things like making the right reads. I know that is hard to quantify but just cause you completed a pass to an open receiver that physically didn't look that tough doesn't mean that it wasn't a good play. Lesser QBs may have completely missed the guy, or thrown too early/late to maximize the play but that doesn't show up in these stats, atleast to the best of my knowledge. 

[number20]

19 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

QBR is better than raw QB rating but like all stats has it's flaws. For instance they put alot of weight on game situation, which is fair but also doesn't make it even across the board cause if your a QB that gets to play in more close games with more high leverage plays you're going to get rewarded more vs. a guy who's team plays in more blowouts(like Goff). 

Also it factors in strength of defense, which again is fair and again makes it hard to compare guys cause if you play well against a bad defense that doesn't mean that your performance wouldn't have been the same if the defense is better, and like game situation if you happen to be a QB who plays more games against tough defenses you are going to get rewarded more.

To me though like all QB stats it doesn't account for the mental side of things like making the right reads. I know that is hard to quantify but just cause you completed a pass to an open receiver that physically didn't look that tough doesn't mean that it wasn't a good play. Lesser QBs may have completely missed the guy, or thrown too early/late to maximize the play but that doesn't show up in these stats, atleast to the best of my knowledge. 

So much of playing QB is between the ears. Williams may prove me wrong down the road, but so far he's nothing more than a less-athletic Justin Fields. He's learning he can't run backwards for 10 yards and get away with it like he did at USC.

Bears drafted the wrong QB

 

[Jason_R]

42 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

QBR is better than raw QB rating but like all stats has it's flaws. For instance they put alot of weight on game situation, which is fair but also doesn't make it even across the board cause if your a QB that gets to play in more close games with more high leverage plays you're going to get rewarded more vs. a guy who's team plays in more blowouts(like Goff). 

Also it factors in strength of defense, which again is fair and again makes it hard to compare guys cause if you play well against a bad defense that doesn't mean that your performance wouldn't have been the same if the defense is better, and like game situation if you happen to be a QB who plays more games against tough defenses you are going to get rewarded more.

To me though like all QB stats it doesn't account for the mental side of things like making the right reads. I know that is hard to quantify but just cause you completed a pass to an open receiver that physically didn't look that tough doesn't mean that it wasn't a good play. Lesser QBs may have completely missed the guy, or thrown too early/late to maximize the play but that doesn't show up in these stats, atleast to the best of my knowledge. 

Yes to all this. Beyond this is the role of the QB before the snap. Nobody but the coaches and QB will ever know what the QB is asked/allowed to do to read and respond to defenses at the line of scrimmage before the ball is snapped. No rating system can ever capture it. But then over time you see a guy winning 14 games with two different teams and you realize he must be pretty good at putting his offense in good positions. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tenacious D]

49 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

The Swifties apparently stuffed the ballot box.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motor City Sonics]

I

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

The Detroit Lions are America's Team   (for now until everyone gets sick of us)

[Motor City Sonics]

I will give Jerry Jones credit.  The video of the fans heckling him in Philly, and instead of demanding they be thrown out, he talks to them.   He eats the **** with a smile on his face instead of running off and hiding.    I think that's pretty cool, actually.  

[Motor City Sonics]

On 12/30/2024 at 7:45 PM, number20 said:

So much of playing QB is between the ears. Williams may prove me wrong down the road, but so far he's nothing more than a less-athletic Justin Fields. He's learning he can't run backwards for 10 yards and get away with it like he did at USC.

Bears drafted the wrong QB

 

Not sure.   Are you absolutely sure that if you put Daniels or Nix in Chicago that it would not have been a trainwreck? 

Sam Darnold is showing us that it can be very reckless to put a rookie QB in a bad situation and expect anything good to happen.     Bryce Young is showing signs of life too.      These fellas got thrown to the wolves as rookies.    I know everyone believes Zack Wilson is a major bust but if he gets an opportunity at redemption like Darnold and Geno Smith did, he might show you something.     J.J. McCarthy wound up in a perfect scenario.   Sit and watch something successful and see how it's done.   I am pretty sure he'll get traded when the Vikings sign Darnold.   McCarthy will likely end up with any number of teams, but a team with an aging QB would be so perfect for him.   A team like the Rams or Cowboys would have him set up to take over in 2026 and get off to a flying start.  

[Motown Bombers]

If I'm the Vikings, I probably franchise Darnold. Let Darnold show he isn't a one year wonder and then sign him to a long term deal. If they do let Darnold walk, They could always bring back Cousins on a year deal while they prep McCarthy. 

[MichiganCardinal]

19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

If I'm the Vikings, I probably franchise Darnold. Let Darnold show he isn't a one year wonder and then sign him to a long term deal. If they do let Darnold walk, They could always bring back Cousins on a year deal while they prep McCarthy. 

Probably depends on the next month. If Darnold takes the Vikings to the NFCCG, I think he’s probably justified in refusing to play on the tag. Someone will pay him. If they lose the next two, he’s got a lot less leverage. He looks just like Cousins in 2022 at that point.

[Jason_R]

Oh yes, Chicago, keep Poles and bring in Flores. Leave Ben Johnson alone and weaken the Vikings while you’re at it. 

[MichiganCardinal]

8 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Oh yes, Chicago, keep Poles and bring in Flores. Leave Ben Johnson alone and weaken the Vikings while you’re at it. 

Lol so they’ll hire Flores and he’ll fail. Got it.

[holygoat]

The Bears should absolutely hire Flores to be their next HC. Who better to develop their 2nd year QB?

[Motor City Sonics]

24 minutes ago, holygoat said:

The Bears should absolutely hire Flores to be their next HC. Who better to develop their 2nd year QB?

I think the Bears should hire Brandon Staley or Josh McDaniels.  

[MichiganCardinal]

27 minutes ago, holygoat said:

The Bears should absolutely hire Flores to be their next HC. Who better to develop their 2nd year QB?

Bears hiring Flores would kill two birds with one stone. Bears would suck for another three years, Vikings would take a step back.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[RandyMarsh]

Flores would be a fantastic hire for the Bears and absolutely the right pick. 

[Motown Bombers]

7 Pro Bowlers and 11 alternates. Biggest snub is Joseph. Goff is the starter for the NFC. 

 

[Motown Bombers]

In terms of draft picks, Holmes in 4 drafts have drafted 8 Pro Bowlers and/or alternates but we'll say 9 since if eligible Hutchinson would be a Pro Bowler. He acquired another via trade in Goff and signed 5 in Raymond, Bates, Zeitler, Montgomery, and Reader. All of those players weren't big name free agents. Only Montgomery singed for longer than two years. You could argue 6 with Glasgow, but I credit the previous regime for Decker, Ragnow, Fox and Glasgow. Holmes is averaging over two Pro Bowlers per draft and 1 in free agency per year.