AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Now that the trade deadline is over, the next big thing is the offseason. Figured I'd get a head start. Here's the FA List: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/04/2024-25-mlb-free-agents.html Time to go get Juan Soto and Corbin Burnes 😏 Seriously though, I'd like a reunion of Flaherty along with Walker Beuhler. That'd be solid. Chapman would be a good add or even go after Pete Alonso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Easier said than done but instead of guys like Canha and Urshela, I'd like to see a player or two with real power. A good starter and closer would be great too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: I'd like a reunion of Flaherty Tiger best case scenario is he gets to the Dodgers, their coaches don't speak any of the dialects he's been working with in Detroit, he struggles some and so can't wait to get back here. Well, we can dream.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlington Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Is it time for some multi-season contracts or do we keep grabbing short-term help that have potential to flip if we tank? I hate long-term ones unless they are extensions like Keith's. Aside from 2b the whole infield needs help. Two years ago who would have thought the Tigers would rank last or near the bottom at SS and 1b. Jung hopefully will be this year's Keith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Can you explain why Flaherty and Buehler would sign here? I suspect Ilitch wants to keep salary low and wouldn't want to hand out long term contracts to pitchers. I am guessing Flaherty is not going to want a one year deal. And they will probably have better options with teams that have chances of making the playoffs. Alonso is going to want a big contract with lots of years...can't see Ilitch spending money. I'm thinking if they sign guys it will be someone who had a really down year or someone who won't make much of an impact (Canha, Urshula). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Dream acquisitions: I am taking Soto off the table. He won't come to Detroit. 1B: Walker or Alonso (Tork is probably not the answer.) SS: Ha-Seong Kim SP: Walker Buehler or Shane Bieber and a project SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Flaherty has been great but nobody is concerned about his back? Signing pitchers long term is scary enough with arm issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveMaroth Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Tigermojo said: Flaherty has been great but nobody is concerned about his back? Signing pitchers long term is scary enough with arm issues. Agreed, I like him but also feel like I would be happy for someone else take on that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 SS help is probably not come through free agency. Kim or Adames would cost 20-25M per year, and that's about $50M for the position when you include Baez, probably about half the 2025 payroll. So Harris is going to slow roll it with Sweeney + Baez, or else he needs to make a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 26 minutes ago, Arlington said: Is it time for some multi-season contracts or do we keep grabbing short-term help that have potential to flip if we tank? I hate long-term ones unless they are extensions like Keith's. Aside from 2b the whole infield needs help. Two years ago who would have thought the Tigers would rank last or near the bottom at SS and 1b. Jung hopefully will be this year's Keith. I think they need to bring in some veterans to build around. 3-6 year contracts should be on the table this offseason. At least I hope. I said in the other thread, our last run started when we got credibility signing Pudge which led to Ordonez signing. We need to do the same thing. I think Harris is going to keep Jung and Jobe in the minors with the hopes that one or both can break camp next season. It'd net us another 1st round pick if either wins ROY which both have the potential for. (Much moreso Jobe than Jung but ya never know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 21 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: Agreed, I like him but also feel like I would be happy for someone else take on that risk. I'd take that risk and Beuhlers Risk all day. The Risk is worth the reward. Just get the premium insurance on him 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 26 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said: Dream acquisitions: I am taking Soto off the table. He won't come to Detroit. 1B: Walker or Alonso (Tork is probably not the answer.) SS: Ha-Seong Kim SP: Walker Buehler or Shane Bieber and a project SP. Harris has said that the Tigers will spend when they're close to winning. To me it sounds like they'll sign 2 or 3 players to get them over the top. But I think most of us agree that we're not close to that yet? Another year or 2 of evaluating what we have and what we may need. Another off-season of 1 year Canhas and Urshelas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben9753 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Spend when we’re close to winning => we’re never close to winning because we don’t spend => checkmate! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Regarding Pudge leading to Magglio, Ordóñez had an injured knee and chose non-traditional treatment for it. The Tigers were willing to invest in what was no sure thing. Turned out great, but at the time it was risky. Also, Viña wants to get credit 🤭 for being the “star” that opened the path for others to come to Detroit. So, yes, sign some vets, take some risks, but past is not prologue. Edited July 31 by Dan Gilmore Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: Ordóñez had an injured knee and chose non-traditional treatment for it.... The Sox acquired Jermaine Dye and decided Magglio was 'being difficult' so let him walk. It turned out well for the Tigers and for that matter Dye gave the Sox only one less good year than Magglio give Detroit, so one of the few moves for the Sox in recent years that didn't go completely to ashes..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Not to go all thread cop on everyone here but I dislike the idea of having an offseason thread active when the actual season still has two months left in it. See you then, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 hours ago, tiger2022 said: Can you explain why Flaherty and Buehler would sign here? I suspect Ilitch wants to keep salary low and wouldn't want to hand out long term contracts to pitchers. I am guessing Flaherty is not going to want a one year deal. And they will probably have better options with teams that have chances of making the playoffs. Alonso is going to want a big contract with lots of years...can't see Ilitch spending money. I'm thinking if they sign guys it will be someone who had a really down year or someone who won't make much of an impact (Canha, Urshula). Didn't he sign one of the top pitchers a few seasons back to a $75 million five year deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, KL2 said: Didn't he sign one of the top pitchers a few seasons back to a $75 million five year deal? Zimmermann? I think it was dad who signed him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I remember that Zimmermann disaster like it was yesterday. Avila jumped all over that one. Al had a knack for creating disastrous contracts. His signature signing was Javy Baez. One for the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Harris has said that the Tigers will spend when they're close to winning. To me it sounds like they'll sign 2 or 3 players to get them over the top. But I think most of us agree that we're not close to that yet? Another year or 2 of evaluating what we have and what we may need. Another off-season of 1 year Canhas and Urshelas. I look at 2025 as another transition/ evaluation year. But one with a "serious" chance of making a playoff push. Again... that "seriousness" is 99% dependent on the kids, again. Meaning Olson, Jobe, Montero/ Mize, Jung, Meadows (if he can both get back to MLB standards as well as stay healthy), Greene & Carpenter (health), Keith/ Malloy/ Dingler/ Perez avoiding "sophomore slumps". Plus any others I haven't already mentioned. A lot of talent. But still going through a lot of growing pains and there's little certainty there. Especially positionally. Harris is NOT going to block any position, until all the positions with these kids are settled to the point of "revealing" a weakness that actually needs to be filled with an expensive FA. Nothing is settled right now, except maybe Catcher and DH. We're not spending big this winter. Not because Harris/ Ilitch are unwilling to spend money... but rather, just too much uncertainty yet to take the big plunge. The only big $$$ I'd like to see spent is on the most premium Closer we can get our hands on. We don't have a premium closer. Adding one pushes Foley and & Lange down a notch, as well as everyone else. Meaning, one step down the ladder to easier jobs for all/most. And.. then we'd have a shutdown guy that doesn't give us late inning losses. Other than closer, I expect a couple of Flaherty/ Urshela signings. IE: We're not going to sign a 5-year SS to replace Baez. Why would we? Harris is not going to block McGonigle (A+, estimated ETA 2026-27), or the 1st rounder that we just drafted (Rainer, rough ETA 2027-28) with a 5-year FA. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Other than closer, I expect a couple of Flaherty/ Urshela signings. IE: We're not going to sign a 5-year SS to replace Baez. Why would we? Harris is not going to block McGonigle (A+, estimated ETA 2026-27), or the 1st rounder that we just drafted (Rainer, rough ETA 2027-28) with a 5-year FA. Sorry. Realistic odds of any A ball player making the majors? He's too far away for him factor into team roster decisions. Assemble your team based on your A ball players and I guarantee we'll still be waiting for a winner in 2045. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Realistic odds of any A ball player making the majors? He's too far away for him factor into team roster decisions. Assemble your team based on your A ball players and I guarantee we'll still be waiting for a winner in 2045. I'm not interested in your odds. And neither is Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I'm not interested in your odds. And neither is Harris. Well, I'm glad he has a spokesman on the Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) Off-season priorities as I see them: 1.) Everyone being healthy. 2.) Add pitching: 2 Starters, 2 relievers. RPs should ideally be high leverage type. Ideally get one high level starter and one short contract bounce back guy a la Flaherty. 3.) Reps for either Keith or Jung at 1B as a contingency plan for Torkelson during offseason and spring. Maybe platoon Tork if he hasn’t progressed offensively. 4.) Move on from the following players: Wentz, McKinstry, one of Brieske/Faedo. A healthy 26 man roster of: C- Rogers/Dingler 1B- Tork/Keith 2B- Keith/Jung SS- Baez/Sweeney 3B- Vierling/Jung LF- Greene/Vierling CF- Meadows/Perez RF- Carpenter/Perez DH- Malloy/Greene/Carpenter That’s an acceptable offense (minus Baez) if it’s healthy. Don’t really see a reason to need to add to it. If you’re going to platoon this lineup, do it properly. SP- Skubal/Olson/FA/FA/Mize RP- Holton/Maeda/Vest/Foley/Brieske or Faedo/one of Miller-Vanasco-Lange, FA/FA Would be nice if we could pencil in Manning somewhere in there but we will see. Montero/Sammons/SGL/Lockhart/Jobe/Madden at Toledo is acceptable depth in the rotation. Hopefully SGL and Jobe can force their way up but give it time. Not spending a ton of money, and Maeda would be off the books after this season also. Since we sold this year, play the young guys the rest of this year and next year—don’t pepper in more Canhas and Gios. Edited August 1 by monkeytargets39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 5 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: Off-season priorities as I see them: 1.) Everyone being healthy. 2.) Add pitching: 2 Starters, 2 relievers. RPs should ideally be high leverage type. Ideally get one high level starter and one short contract bounce back guy a la Flaherty. 3.) Reps for either Keith or Jung at 1B as a contingency plan for Torkelson during offseason and spring. Maybe platoon Tork if he hasn’t progressed offensively. 4.) Move on from the following players: Wentz, McKinstry, one of Brieske/Faedo. A healthy 26 man roster of: C- Rogers/Dingler 1B- Tork/Keith 2B- Keith/Jung SS- Baez/Sweeney 3B- Vierling/Jung LF- Greene/Vierling CF- Meadows/Perez RF- Carpenter/Perez DH- Malloy/Greene/Carpenter That’s an acceptable offense (minus Baez) if it’s healthy. Don’t really see a reason to need to add to it. If you’re going to platoon this lineup, do it properly. SP- Skubal/Olson/FA/FA/Mize RP- Holton/Maeda/Vest/Foley/Brieske or Faedo/one of Miller-Vanasco-Lange, FA/FA Would be nice if we could pencil in Manning somewhere in there but we will see. Montero/Sammons/SGL/Lockhart/Jobe/Madden at Toledo is acceptable depth in the rotation. Hopefully SGL and Jobe can force their way up but give it time. Not spending a ton of money, and Maeda would be off the books after this season also. Since we sold this year, play the young guys the rest of this year and next year—don’t pepper in more Canhas and Gios. I agree with this approach. If health holds the offense could be decent, although I wouldn’t be opposed to a 2-year deal for Walker at 1B. Completely agree with your roster strategy for the pitching staff. Will need to spend to shore up the pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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