Arlington Posted Friday at 02:51 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:51 AM 5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Just to play Devils advocate for a minute - The counter point to going after Bregman is that you have a 3 WAR player in Vierling who may not have a place to play if Carpenter, Meadows and Greene stay healthy or Wenceel improves a little more or AHM locks down DH. Now granted, Vierling's D in the OF is plus while his play at 3rd is maybe average at best, but even given that, how much are you willing to commit for an upgrade that may be not be that big (WAR wise, Bregman was 4.1 last season, Vierling 2.9) if it turns out he's replacing Vierling instead of Jung? Totally agree. And their trajectories are in opposite directions. That 1.2 difference in WAR probably will be less of a difference in 2025 and even moreso in 2026. Seems emphasis is on 3b but the least productive spot is 1b. It's being held for Tork for the time being but it would be ideal to get a right handed hitter with power and the ability to get from 1st to 3rd who can play multiple positions including 1st if Tork can't pull it together. That sounds more like a trade than FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Friday at 12:24 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:24 PM OK, I want the Tigers to get this guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted Friday at 01:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:15 PM What year, if any, do we think Vierling will outperform Bregman? 2030? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Friday at 01:27 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:27 PM (edited) Assuming good health, I wouldn't expect Vierling to ever outperform Bregman. We have to remember that Vierling is only two years younger. Edited Friday at 01:28 PM by Tiger337 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate7474 Posted Friday at 01:48 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:48 PM 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Just to play Devils advocate for a minute - The counter point to going after Bregman is that you have a 3 WAR player in Vierling who may not have a place to play if Carpenter, Meadows and Greene stay healthy or Wenceel improves a little more or AHM locks down DH. Now granted, Vierling's D in the OF is plus while his play at 3rd is maybe average at best, but even given that, how much are you willing to commit for an upgrade that may be not be that big (WAR wise, Bregman was 4.1 last season, Vierling 2.9) if it turns out he's replacing Vierling instead of Jung? I get what you are saying. I don’t want Carpenters glove in the outfield. Not just because he’s a below average fielder but because I want to keep him healthy which he hasn’t done, so he’s my primary DH. So that’s put Vierling as the starter in RF for me. Bregman is who I want at 3rd or to trade some package of players/prospects to get someone that plays good defense and has a good bat there. I think Jung/Manning plus more package could be very intriguing for someone trying to rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted Friday at 01:55 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:55 PM I always saw Vierling's value as his versatility. You don't neglect to fill a regular spot b/c you have Vierling but you have Vierling around to fill those holes that always pop up, either through injury, slumps, or days off. 4 days a week you'll need to fill one of those. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted Friday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:56 PM Just now I referred to a former co worker, named Kerry and a last name with a lot of letters, as Kerry Carpenter. He'd retired and I was asking one of his bosses if they ever found a replcement for one of this person's duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted Friday at 03:10 PM Share Posted Friday at 03:10 PM Trade Rumors moved these behind paywall; but these were interesting when they were free they have McKinstry as possible non-tender; I don't see that trigger warning for someone who might care about accurate service time, they have both Lange and Baddoo at 3.003 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/offseason-outlook-detroit-tigers-14.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted Friday at 03:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 03:15 PM 4 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Trade Rumors moved these behind paywall; but these were interesting when they were free they have McKinstry as possible non-tender; I don't see that trigger warning for someone who might care about accurate service time, they have both Lange and Baddoo at 3.003 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/offseason-outlook-detroit-tigers-14.html That someone already dove in the comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted Friday at 10:52 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:52 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted Saturday at 12:57 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:57 AM 2 hours ago, kdog said: Commenting on something like this is way above my pay grade. But I’m assuming this is some sort of improvement although I have no direct knowledge of the context within which this is all unfolding. The fact that people want to join the Tigers is good. The fact that Detroit is a destination is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted Saturday at 04:08 AM Share Posted Saturday at 04:08 AM 5 hours ago, kdog said: Awesome! Who the hell is Shane Ferrell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted Saturday at 05:23 AM Share Posted Saturday at 05:23 AM 1 hour ago, holygoat said: Awesome! Who the hell is Shane Ferrell? https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/amateur-scouting-director-shane-farrell-leaving-blue-jays-to-join-tigers/sn-amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Saturday at 12:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 12:27 PM 22 hours ago, Nate7474 said: I get what you are saying. I don’t want Carpenters glove in the outfield. Not just because he’s a below average fielder but because I want to keep him healthy which he hasn’t done, so he’s my primary DH. So that’s put Vierling as the starter in RF for me. Bregman is who I want at 3rd or to trade some package of players/prospects to get someone that plays good defense and has a good bat there. I think Jung/Manning plus more package could be very intriguing for someone trying to rebuild. I don’t think we should have a primary DH until at least six other positions have been totally solved, that is, manned by full-time reliable guys. I think we’re getting closer. Right now I believe first base, third base, shortstop, and right field are still unsolved, and catcher is basically half-solved. So we still need DH open to work guys who are slotting in and out of those other positions to keep their bats fresh. But I think once we close up at least 2-1/2 of those positions, then we can entertain employing a full-time DH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted Saturday at 12:33 PM Share Posted Saturday at 12:33 PM (edited) Is that Lunetta's (Director, Minor League Operations) role? Or is it a backfill for Garko after his promotion? Edited Saturday at 12:34 PM by Edman85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted Saturday at 12:37 PM Share Posted Saturday at 12:37 PM 21 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: Trade Rumors moved these behind paywall; but these were interesting when they were free they have McKinstry as possible non-tender; I don't see that trigger warning for someone who might care about accurate service time, they have both Lange and Baddoo at 3.003 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/offseason-outlook-detroit-tigers-14.html I could be talked into a subscription to this. We have gotten years and years of valuable free info from TR, so I don’t begrudge them wanting to monetize their USP. It’s only thirty bucks for a year. I have more than that sitting around unused in Apple Pay and Venmo accounts. The main thing I hope they don’t do is what Sean did to Stathead, and to Reference in general: double and triple the rate while plateauing the feature set, and in his case, even reducing functionality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Saturday at 01:17 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:17 PM 7 hours ago, IdahoBert said: https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/amateur-scouting-director-shane-farrell-leaving-blue-jays-to-join-tigers/sn-amp/ Guy writing this sounds like he doesn't think it's going to be much of a loss for the Jays. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted Saturday at 01:44 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:44 PM 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I could be talked into a subscription to this. We have gotten years and years of valuable free info from TR, so I don’t begrudge them wanting to monetize their USP. It’s only thirty bucks for a year. I have more than that sitting around unused in Apple Pay and Venmo accounts. The main thing I hope they don’t do is what Sean did to Stathead, and to Reference in general: double and triple the rate while plateauing the feature set, and in his case, even reducing functionality. Yeah MLBTR is such a great free resource of info. It’s almost always where I find out about breaking news and rumors since I avoid Twitter like the plague. Fair is fair if they charge a fee for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted Saturday at 04:28 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:28 PM 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Guy writing this sounds like he doesn't think it's going to be much of a loss for the Jays. 🤔 draft record not impressive to my untrained eye - but as always if the development side is lacking a good draft can look like a bad draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted Saturday at 05:17 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:17 PM (edited) 49 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: draft record not impressive to my untrained eye - but as always if the development side is lacking a good draft can look like a bad draft The language needs to more precise than that offered. 'Manage their system' could be administrative and have no direct connection to scouting and development, or not. Edited Saturday at 05:17 PM by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted Saturday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Saturday at 06:19 PM 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: The language needs to more precise than that offered. 'Manage their system' could be administrative and have no direct connection to scouting and development, or not. As someone who “manages” a lot of “systems”…. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICroupier Posted Saturday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Saturday at 06:19 PM 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: draft record not impressive to my untrained eye - but as always if the development side is lacking a good draft can look like a bad draft Farrell was in charge of their draft, and only 1 guy (Austin Martin) from a five-year period made it to the majors. And he was traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted Saturday at 08:35 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:35 PM MLBTR is a good site. I actually thought of starting something like that before they did. I would have tried to get some of you guys (like Edman) to join me! I am pretty sure I never would have been able to build it up the way they did though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papalawrence Posted Saturday at 09:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:49 PM Shane Farrell is John Farrell's son. John's last pitching stint in MLB was for the Tigers in 1996. So there's that connection, and Shane worked for the Cubs when Harris was there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papalawrence Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM Share Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM Be interesting to see if Harris kicks the tires with Matt Boyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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