2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Tiger337]

$1,302 for a Brenan Hanifee autograph?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305931822710?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338684451&customid=121&toolid=20012&mkevt=1

[Arlington]

The connection between global change and the Tigers season.

Have we had a discussion here on Hinch not getting even 2nd in MVM voting?  I thought he was a shoe-in. He truly lead a team of young, malleable kids to the playoffs despite being at 0.2% odds.  Those odds reflect an event that happens once every 500 years.  He then managed the team into a 2-1 advantage into the ALDS, again against the odds.  Not only did he lead them through a once in a 500 year-olds life event, Hinch did more play-calling than any manager I've seen.  I don't need to go into detail on how he used a much inexperienced bull-pen and lead them through pitching match-ups to produce.  His bullpen days strategy has to be a subject of study for managers/coaches/analysts everywhere.  And his match-ups on the other side produced a lot of memorable events.  Is Hinch being black balled because of the Houston scandal or is it more like global climate where events that were once in a lifetime event are occurring awfully regularly so that we don't have to go that far back to find the last once in a lifetime flood, or hurricane, or other weather event.  A once in a lifetime comeback isn't all that astounding perhaps because it's now a fad were we are presented with rarities regularly.  "Jake Hardhelmet is the first player since 1937 to get hit in the head twice and hit two homers in a game."  Anyway, I thought Hinch would win unanimously.  

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Arlington

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Arlington said:

A once in a lifetime comeback isn't all that astounding perhaps because it's now a fad were we are presented with rarities regularly.

There is something to this. Speaking completely generally (i.e. ignoring the obvious political tie-in) the globalization and instantization of communication means that we can see the variety and extremes across the whole planet everyday, and since we don't really comprehend the scale of the whole planet very well - everything does get more 'normalized', seem more ordinary that it probably should. The culture should eventually absorb that change but the change happens faster than the culture processes it.

Edited December 2, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tenacious D]

20 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

$1,302 for a Brenan Hanifee autograph?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305931822710?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338684451&customid=121&toolid=20012&mkevt=1

Seems silly, but it’s a 1 of 1.  The Skenes card has received a ton of attention because the Pirates are offering a huge bounty to whoever finds it.  His famous girlfriend, Libby Dunne, sweetened the offer by saying she’d also throw in an invite to watch the game with her from her suite.

A few other rookies have also offered to buy their card from whoever finds it, turning these into a bit of a Wonka Golden ticket.

[Motor City Sonics]

Okay, it's Cyber Monday.     Come on baseball, let's see some action.   3 of the Top 50 have signed so far,  it's boring.  WE NEED SOME ACTION. 

 

TIGERS, YOU GET AT IT, YOU GO GET THAT D-LEVEL STARTER AND LIFETIME .230  HITTER FOR YOUR LINEUP.   

 

WE'RE WAITING

 

[chasfh]

On 11/26/2024 at 5:21 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I guess there is a certain logic to that. You can still see what you want to hit but getting the bat on what you swing at gets harder and/or maybe you lock up on strikes you would have swung at 4 yrs earlier when you would have seen in for 10 msec more.....

Yes, but there's more.

It's not just that aging hitters have slower reflexes. It's also that the pitcher class they face as an old hitter is better than they did as a young hitter. Especially nowadays—pitchers are much harder to hit now, if nothing else than due to velocity, than they were fifteen, or ten, or even five years ago.

I like to call it the Wooderson Effect: the batter gets older, the pitchers stay the same age.

[chasfh]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:10 PM, Shelton said:

There is a fake Lynn Henning on Bluesky that is trying a bit too hard to mimic Lynn’s style and pass himself off as the real thing. Only true Henning scholars (like myself) may be able to notice. 

That's a sad field of study to excel in.

[chasfh]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:00 PM, casimir said:

I listened through it all sort of.  But when he mentioned that top tier league with a team in …. Grand Rapids?   Look, no offense to Grand Rapids.  Nice area.  But, I guess I have serious doubts about a top tier league featuring a team in Grand Rapids, and so my BS meter was enacted.

Hey, the top tier basketball league in the world fields teams in Oklahoma City, Memphis, and New Orleans, and they are all smaller markets than Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek.

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, Arlington said:

The connection between global change and the Tigers season.

Have we had a discussion here on Hinch not getting even 2nd in MVM voting?  I thought he was a shoe-in. He truly lead a team of young, malleable kids to the playoffs despite being at 0.2% odds. 

I already tried this argument here. No takers.

[Shelton]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

That's a sad field of study to excel in.

I don’t know, I think it beats excelling in the History of Tipping Culture. 

[Edman85]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:10 PM, Shelton said:

There is a fake Lynn Henning on Bluesky that is trying a bit too hard to mimic Lynn’s style and pass himself off as the real thing. Only true Henning scholars (like myself) may be able to notice. 

 

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

Yes, but there's more.

It's not just that aging hitters have slower reflexes. It's also that the pitcher class they face as an old hitter is better than they did as a young hitter. Especially nowadays—pitchers are much harder to hit now, if nothing else than due to velocity, than they were fifteen, or ten, or even five years ago.

I like to call it the Wooderson Effect: the batter gets older, the pitchers stay the same age.

Yup

[casimir]

9 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Okay, it's Cyber Monday.     Come on baseball, let's see some action.   3 of the Top 50 have signed so far,  it's boring.  WE NEED SOME ACTION. 

 

TIGERS, YOU GET AT IT, YOU GO GET THAT D-LEVEL STARTER AND LIFETIME .230  HITTER FOR YOUR LINEUP.   

 

WE'RE WAITING

 

Would you be happy with the Boyd and/or Montas contracts?

[casimir]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

Hey, the top tier basketball league in the world fields teams in Oklahoma City, Memphis, and New Orleans, and they are all smaller markets than Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek.

Yeah, I ‘spose there’s a point there.  But metros with bigger pops (Seattle) are without a team in the top tier basketball league.

[Motor City Sonics]

How do you feel about Alex Bregman 6/$167 million ?

[Hongbit]

12 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

How do you feel about Alex Bregman 6/$167 million ?

Will they let him wear #24?

[Motor City Sonics]

9 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Will they let him wear #24?

Depends on the team who signs him.       I would imagine that the Tigers would tell him that the number is being held for when Miggy goes into the HOF in, what, 2029.     And he'd agree to take another number and that number would be 0

[Tiger337]

28 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

How do you feel about Alex Bregman 6/$167 million ?

Good.  You're not getting him short-term and I think six years is the best you'll get.  

[Tiger337]

13 hours ago, casimir said:

Would you be happy with the Boyd and/or Montas contracts?

No, but those are the kinds of contracts I am expecting from the Tigers - short-term seemingly expensive contracts for flawed pitchers who the Tigers think they can fix.  

[chasfh]

If Harris signs Alex Bregman, I am all in on that.

If Harris does not sign Alex Bregman, I’m all in on that, too.

That’s because my assumption is that the decision will be based strictly on whether Bregman is the best fit for us both right now and going forward, and that we won’t be signing him because we have to sign whatever big free agent we can so we can signal our arrival, or that we will forego signing him because Bregman’s perfect for us but Baby Doc simply doesn’t want to spend the money.

[Tenacious D]

I would prefer we avoid Bregman. Slowing down.

[Tiger337]

13 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If Harris signs Alex Bregman, I am all in on that.

If Harris does not sign Alex Bregman, I’m all in on that, too.

That’s because my assumption is that the decision will be based strictly on whether Bregman is the best fit for us both right now and going forward, and that we won’t be signing him because we have to sign whatever big free agent we can so we can signal our arrival, or that we will forego signing him because Bregman’s perfect for us but Baby Doc simply doesn’t want to spend the money.

I don't want them to spend for the sake of spending, but, but I think there is a chance that Harris/Ilitch might be less aggressive with contracts than I want. I still fear a Tampa Bay situation where they have a below average payroll and trade away any player who gets too good/expensive.   

Edited December 3, 2024 by Tiger337

[chasfh]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

I don't want them to spend for the sake of spending, but, but I think there is a chance that Harris/Ilitch might be less aggressive with contracts than I want. I still fear a Tampa Bay situation where they have a below average payroll and trade away any layer who gets too good/expensive.   

I can see us passing on Bregman this time because we have other holes to fill and/or the front office is calculating that we have enough to cover third base well enough going forward.

They may also try to cover it with a trade for Arenado, which is getting a lot more Twitter buzz the past day or so. I’m not sure how I feel about a grizzled veteran parachuting into a group of underpaid kids in the same circumstance who are all getting along—after all, Arenado was getting mouthy in the media about how the kids were overrunning the Cardinals clubhouse—but he is a plus defender with pop in the stick who would put us on the hook for only 3/69, rather than 6+/pushing 200. It might depend as much on how any new player gels within the clubhouse and its culture for the next several seasons, as it does on how much the new guy can help us play into November in 2025 and we’ll figure out what happens after that.

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't want them to spend for the sake of spending, but, but I think there is a chance that Harris/Ilitch might be less aggressive with contracts than I want. I still fear a Tampa Bay situation where they have a below average payroll and trade away any player who gets too good/expensive.   

DING!     

There's a difference, though.    Tampa Bay ain't all that crazy about their ballclub.    Tiger fans are different.  You start trading away fan favorites all the time and you will have a bit of resentment, especially if you don't make long runs in the playoffs.    

Wonder if the Rays will spend more when they're the Nashville Stars.  

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't want them to spend for the sake of spending, but, but I think there is a chance that Harris/Ilitch might be less aggressive with contracts than I want. I still fear a Tampa Bay situation where they have a below average payroll and trade away any player who gets too good/expensive.   

and the more unrestrained the rich teams get throwing money around, the more likely the above becomes for everyone else.