2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Shinzaki]

Getting Bregman would be an improvement in the near term and help build on the notion that the team is in it to win now.

Of course...the same sort of things were said when they signed Javy

[roarintiger1]

Could a Bregman effect have similar results to what Pudge meant for the Tigers?

[Longgone]

  On 12/12/2024 at 5:38 PM, Sports_Freak said:

Yesterday's Free Press said Tork had to earn a spot during spring training. Today's said the same thing about Jobe. Has to earn it during ST. So, maybe spring stats DO matter?

 

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Showing you are better prepared to compete compared to your competitors matters. Actual stats in spring training games matters very little.

[gehringer_2]

  On 12/12/2024 at 8:07 PM, roarintiger1 said:

Could a Bregman effect have similar results to what Pudge meant for the Tigers?

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He'd be joining a team that is already a lot better than the Tiger team Pudge joined - plus  it has a manager and coaching staff in more control.

[Dan Gilmore]

  On 12/12/2024 at 8:07 PM, roarintiger1 said:

Could a Bregman effect have similar results to what Pudge meant for the Tigers?

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You spelled Viña wrong.

 

 

and yes, I am joking.

[Sports_Freak]

  On 12/12/2024 at 7:57 PM, gehringer_2 said:

This probably true for most of the team. This is a team made up of a lot of guys with short track records. Beside Riley, Jake and maybe Vierling  I'm not sure anyone is enough of a lock to survive a really terrible ST. But as Hinch is always quick to point out, what they are looking for isn't necessarily reflected in the stat sheet.

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Ugh...last spring Tork and Meadows stunk up Florida. They both came north. Kept stinking until they were shipped out to Toledo. MTS experts said ST stats don't matter. I always said they DO matter, a good team forces players to actually make the team, not to be handed a spot, undeserved. This spring, with a team that hopes to contend, players should show some fire during ST. Actually preform to make the team.

[Sports_Freak]

  On 12/12/2024 at 8:09 PM, Longgone said:

Showing you are better prepared to compete compared to your competitors matters. Actual stats in spring training games matters very little.

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If a player shows he's ready to compete against good teams, the stats will come. Tork hitting .100 with no power against spring minor league pitchers proved he wasn't prepared to be in Detroit. So, sometimes stats really do matter. 

[Longgone]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:01 PM, Sports_Freak said:

Ugh...last spring Tork and Meadows stunk up Florida. They both came north. Kept stinking until they were shipped out to Toledo. MTS experts said ST stats don't matter. I always said they DO matter, a good team forces players to actually make the team, not to be handed a spot, undeserved. This spring, with a team that hopes to contend, players should show some fire during ST. Actually preform to make the team.

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Game samples are too small, and competition too variable for spring stats to actually be indicative of performance. There are many other ways and means for players to show their competitive advantage. You simply can’t look at spring stats and say one player is a better fit than another. It’s futile.

[Tiger337]

  On 12/12/2024 at 7:53 PM, Sports_Freak said:

My original point was ST actually matters, performance wise. And the Tigers sound pretty sure he will only be a SP this season. My opinion is he'll be up early in the season after starting in Toledo but if he pitches lights out in ST, he'll make the roster. As a SP.

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It does matter.  The stats don't really matter, but whether he has learned what he needs to learn to start in the majors does matter.  

[Tiger337]

  On 12/12/2024 at 8:21 PM, Dan Gilmore said:

You spelled Viña wrong.

 

 

and yes, I am joking.

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Vina always gave 110%.  He would run through a brick wall to win a game.  

[Tiger337]

  On 12/12/2024 at 8:07 PM, roarintiger1 said:

Could a Bregman effect have similar results to what Pudge meant for the Tigers?

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When Pudge signed, the team was garbage.  He made them respectable.  This team is already respectable.  If they make any big moves, they will be made with the post-season in mind. 

[casimir]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:25 PM, Tiger337 said:

Vina always gave 110%.  He would run through a brick wall to win a game.  

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And he would patch it up to run through it again.

[gehringer_2]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:17 PM, Tiger337 said:

It does matter.  The stats don't really matter, but whether he has learned what he needs to learn to start in the majors does matter.  

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LOL - I seem to remember one season Porcello came out of ST with like a 0.00 ERA and still proceeded to be his usual <100 ERA+ pitcher for the season....

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[casimir]

So what happened with Bregman’s BB% last season?  Completely fell off a cliff.  Started somewhat below career average and got worse as the season went on.

Baseball savant was not kind to his throwing arm.  Good range, bad arm.  Is that going to be a problem going forward?

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[gehringer_2]

  On 12/12/2024 at 11:07 PM, casimir said:

Baseball savant was not kind to his throwing arm.

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I want to know more about how Savant does IF arms - esp the avg velo number. They seem to just take all throws, but if so that's a pretty meaningless number. A good fielder that comes up with the ball quickly shouldn't have to throw hard all the time, all that matters is how well can he get it there when he has to. I mean most guys don't play like Aurelio Rodriguez, who might just wait until the guy was half-way to 1st to uncork a 95mph throw over.

[Sports_Freak]

  On 12/12/2024 at 11:07 PM, gehringer_2 said:

LOL - I seem to remember one season Porcello came out of ST with like a 0.00 ERA and still proceeded to be his usual <100 ERA+ pitcher for the season....

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I remember a Tiger SP who went all spring not walking a single hitter. 1st hitter he faced in the regular season? He walked him...😅😆

[Motor City Sonics]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:25 PM, Tiger337 said:

Vina always gave 110%.  He would run through a brick wall to win a game.  

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but just not Albert Belle. 

[Tiger337]

  On 12/12/2024 at 11:07 PM, casimir said:

So what happened with Bregman’s BB% last season?  Completely fell off a cliff.  Started somewhat below career average and got worse as the season went on.

Baseball savant was not kind to his throwing arm.  Good range, bad arm.  Is that going to be a problem going forward?

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Good questions.  BB% usually stays consistent. It's not a skill that someone suddenly loses unless they change their approach.  His swing rate was way up which suggests he may have been adjusting to the line-up around him.  Since it didn't make him a better hitter, it seems like he'd be better off going back to his old approach.  

 

[Tiger337]

  On 12/12/2024 at 11:21 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I want to know more about how Savant does IF arms - esp the avg velo number. They seem to just take all throws, but if so that's a pretty meaningless number. A good fielder that comes up with the ball quickly shouldn't have to throw hard all the time, all that matters is how well can he get it there when he has to. I mean most guys don't play like Aurelio Rodriguez, who might just wait until the guy was half-way to 1st to uncork a 95mph throw over.

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Bregman's arm has been rated the same the last four years, but like you said, I don't know what that means.  

[TigerNation]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:01 PM, Sports_Freak said:

Ugh...last spring Tork and Meadows stunk up Florida. They both came north. Kept stinking until they were shipped out to Toledo. MTS experts said ST stats don't matter. I always said they DO matter, a good team forces players to actually make the team, not to be handed a spot, undeserved. This spring, with a team that hopes to contend, players should show some fire during ST. Actually preform to make the team.

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Meadows hit .358/.393/.679 with 4 HRs in 56 PAs in Spring Training last year.

[Jim Cowan]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:25 PM, Tiger337 said:

Vina always gave 110%.  He would run through a brick wall to win a game.  

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He did all the little things that don't show up on the scoresheet.

[Sports_Freak]

  On 12/13/2024 at 2:18 AM, TigerNation said:

Meadows hit .358/.393/.679 with 4 HRs in 56 PAs in Spring Training last year.

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I thought he struggled. I know many of our hitters were cold that kept up into the early part of the season.

[Arlington]

  On 12/12/2024 at 10:25 PM, Tiger337 said:

Vina always gave 110%.  He would run through a brick wall to win a game.  

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Isn't that why he played 2nd, to keep him away from the walls.

[SoCalTiger]

  On 12/12/2024 at 11:21 PM, gehringer_2 said:

I want to know more about how Savant does IF arms - esp the avg velo number. They seem to just take all throws, but if so that's a pretty meaningless number. A good fielder that comes up with the ball quickly shouldn't have to throw hard all the time, all that matters is how well can he get it there when he has to. I mean most guys don't play like Aurelio Rodriguez, who might just wait until the guy was half-way to 1st to uncork a 95mph throw over.

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I Loved watching Aurelio play. Just like you said he would just load up, wait and unload his cannon. What an impact him and Eddie Brinkman were on the left side of the diamond defensively. That McLain trade got us a great season in 1972 with them , Hondo and the aging stars from 1968. Maybe the best year of all with Billy Martin giving the Umpires hell. What fun. 

[IdahoBert]

  On 12/12/2024 at 6:48 PM, papalawrence said:

This is interesting - according to this article Detroit is Vegas odds on favorite to land Bregman, and tied for favorite to land Verlander 

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/detroit-tigers-remain-odssmakers-frontrunners-to-land-alex-bregman-19491823

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Verlander would sure get people in the seats. It would make a great sentimental homecoming story. I’m capable of being unduly happy over this. Bergman? The people running this team are certainly smarter than me so if they’re willing to do it, sure. But I don’t know why I have to give a golly gosh darn oh my heck about what “oddsmakers” think.